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None of those neighborhoods you listed matches the Vibrancy of the Pittsburgh neighborhoods I posted...No one goes to those neighborhood to do High end shopping, have fancy casual lunches, catch movies, go to art galleries, see live plays, just hang out at Cafes and coffeehouses....except for NL which some would consider CC the part below Spring Garden...and if you've ever been to Pittsburgh neighborhood you'd know this.....
Dude, did you even watch those videos I post a few pages back? That's exactly why people go to those neighborhoods. Especially, Manayunk and Chestnut Hill.
Still didnt catch me saying Center City was the only Nice neighborhood of Philly...
Yes Center City is the only common ground for the region of philly its the only meeting point.....
That's all anyone who's referenced anything has talked about here is Center City....
No one up until I made the challenge of Downtwon vs Neighborhoods even mentioned anything about Chestnut Hill, Manayunk etc. it was able Philly having the better bigger downtown....
And while all the Philly homers continue to bash me...NO ONE HAS STILL ANSWERED MY QUESTION.....With Philly being the bigger city, WHAT DOES it do better than the Burgh..What can i get in Philly that i CANNOT get in Pittsburgh??? to make Philly the "More Vibrant city"....I'm still looking for specific answers to this question...But instead of you guys answering the question (because you mostly have no answer) you'd rather just flame me because I dont eaily conceed to the "Philly is bigger so its better" That's a cop out.
You're not going to get me to back down, until someone gives vaild facts to my challenge...or you could just ingnore me as Boston14 suggest...
Still didnt catch me saying Center City was the only Nice neighborhood of Philly...
Yes Center City is the only common ground for the region of philly its the only meeting point.....
That's all anyone who's referenced anything has talked about here is Center City....
No one up until I made the challenge of Downtwon vs Neighborhoods even mentioned anything about Chestnut Hill, Manayunk etc. it was able Philly having the better bigger downtown....
And while all the Philly homers continue to bash me...NO ONE HAS STILL ANSWERED MY QUESTION.....With Philly being the bigger city, WHAT DOES it do better than the Burgh..What can i get in Philly that i CANNOT get in Pittsburgh??? to make Philly the "More Vibrant city"....I'm still looking for specific answers to this question...But instead of you guys answering the question (because you mostly have no answer) you'd rather just flame me because I dont eaily conceed to the "Philly is bigger so its better" That's a cop out.
You're not going to get me to back down, until someone gives vaild facts to my challenge...or you could just ingnore me as Boston14 suggest...
1. Urban Vibrancy
2. Better restaurant town (by far)
3. More and better art and cultural institutions
4. More diversity and selction of neighborhoods
5. Larger College population and Universities
6. More historical
7. Better nightlife
8. Better transportation
9. More walkable
10. Better parks and public spaces
Just to clarify, Center city (adding the direct peripheral neighborhoods) is basically the same size (population) of all of Pittsburgh, I bring this up not because a bigger is better conversation but because you go back to this comparison. The other point is Center City Philly is easily among the top 5 urban centers in the country. So yes to discuss Center City versus any other city is relevant including Pittsburgh. You say but the Burgh has other nieghnbohoods outside of downtown, ok, yes they do but remember all you include mimics the size but not overall vibrancy of Center City. Add on top other neighborhoods in Philly Manyunk, Chestnut Hill etc. and yes it has more to offer. You can't have it both ways and say Philly can not compare to the non DT neighborhoods Pittsburgh and in the same breadth say that is all that Philly has (which is wrong to begin with) Center City. Honestly I would take Center City over all of Pittsburgh, not to mention all the other great neighborhoods of Philly.
Also PA has two great cities with different compositions and both IMHO are great at what they are. Also I really don't think most people in Philly compare it to Pittsburg, moreso DC, Baltimore, Boston, and NYC, they are all closer too.
This is not even half true....You take NE Philadelphia out of the city limits Philadelphia is only 700k in population...there are only 100K people living within the Center City limits where are you getting the other 211K????...
Yes Pittsburgh is a smaller city sq miles Pittsburgh doesnt take in as much land as Philadelphia does...if the city of Pittsburgh took in as much land as Philadelphia does...Pittsburgh the city proper would easily have 800k in population still smaller than Philly, "but the bigger is the winner" that you guys want to keep throwing around wouldn't easily fly as much.
This is not even half true....You take NE Philadelphia out of the city limits Philadelphia is only 700k in population...there are only 100K people living within the Center City limits where are you getting the other 211K????...
Yes Pittsburgh is a smaller city sq miles Pittsburgh doesnt take in as much land as Philadelphia does...if the city of Pittsburgh took in as much land as Philadelphia does...Pittsburgh the city proper would easily have 800k in population still smaller than Philly, "but the bigger is the winner" that you guys want to keep throwing around wouldn't easily fly as much.
Add U City (120K) and N Libs, Art Musuem, Fishtown, Pennsport, Southwark, Passyunk Sq (Up and coming quickly) etc.
We can agree to disagree, I prefer Philly you do not. IMHO I can not get the same urban experience or lifestyle in Pittsburgh, but again this is my preferance, yours is not the same as mine - fine
This is not even half true....You take NE Philadelphia out of the city limits Philadelphia is only 700k in population...there are only 100K people living within the Center City limits where are you getting the other 211K????...
Yes Pittsburgh is a smaller city sq miles Pittsburgh doesnt take in as much land as Philadelphia does...if the city of Pittsburgh took in as much land as Philadelphia does...Pittsburgh the city proper would easily have 800k in population still smaller than Philly, "but the bigger is the winner" that you guys want to keep throwing around wouldn't easily fly as much.
I guess the fact that Philadelphia has 3X the urbanized area of population of Pittsburgh means nothing either. Actually, Pittsburgh's entire urbanized area only has a somewhat larger population than the city of Philadelphia proper, while covering a much larger area than the city of Philadelphia. Besides, if you increased Pittsburgh's land size, that would mean you'd almost have to take in some sad, old steel towns along the rivers (particularly the Monongahela) that have seen much better days.
1. Urban Vibrancy
2. Better restaurant town (by far)
3. More and better art and cultural institutions
4. More diversity and selction of neighborhoods
5. Larger College population and Universities
6. More historical
7. Better nightlife
8. Better transportation
9. More walkable
10. Better parks and public spaces
OK - this list proves my point of someone who's never been to Pittsburgh
1 - Very subjective to you opinion....I think I've proved just that! just like I can argue Pittsburgh is more vibrant - with its bustling neighborhood....extremely low crime rate....more walkable neighborhoods than Philly...higher degree obtained population.....less blighted neighborhoods....and less corrupt city government...
2 - Yes Philly has the more resturants than Pittsburgh because its bigger population...but the question WHAT TYPE OF FOOD CAN I GET IN PHILLY THAT I COULDN'T GET IN THE BURGH....The answer is NOTHING!...Unless you want to count Scrapple and Cheesestakes (Not something I'll lose sleep over!)
Tour Pittsburgh Art Galleries, Museums, Art Studios: Pittsburgh Neighborhoods (http://www.pittsburghneighborhoodtours.com/pr13/tours/tourDetail.asp?nTour=3 - broken link)
Lawrenceville Galleries in Pittsburgh PA, A Lawrenceville Art Gallery Guide (http://www.pittsburghgalleries.com/lawrencevillegalleries.htm - broken link)
4. Kensington is not a neighborhood i think Pittsburgh is desparate for...I think I'd much prefer the way Pittsburgh does it..with young professional minorities all living and thriving in communites such as Oakland, Sq Hill, Polish Hill, Shadyside, GreenTree, etc so while small i much have this emerging diversity as opposed to insular spanish getto's....
5 - UMM ever heard of CMU, Pitt, Duquense, Robert Morris, Point Park, Chattam, Carlow???....And Oakland has twice as many students as University City...its the 3rd largest Central Business District in PA..Only behind Center City and Downtwon Pitt...So that like Pittsburgh having two downtowns....
6 - OK Pittsburgh has plenty of history but I will give you that...Philadelphia was the berth of country.
7 - Lets see - Cultural District in downtown, South side, Shadyside, Lawrenceville, East Liberty, Friendship/Bloomfield, Oakland, Squirrel Hill, The Strip, Station Square, Mt Washington, The North Shore, Homestead Waterfront all bustles with Sophiticated Nightlife. from Nightclubs, Afterhours joints, Fine dinning, Lounges, Live Music, from families, to LGBT, to hipsters scenes....and the Strip has a pretty good underground scene...and I'm sorry South Street is no match for Carson.
8 - I will give you that SEPTA is more robust than PAT...But both are far behind in Mass Transit Times...Both have antiquated Fare Systems, both are struggling for more state aid, both are Raising Fares, and BOTH HAVE STUPID A** ZONE SYSTEMS..
9 - Yea right....Pittsburgh is as green as they come...Three huge parks within the city limits Schenely, Frick, and Highland...Notice where Pittsburgh and Philly falls in this "Green" cities List....
1 - Lower Crime - makes for even better Vibrancy if you ask me...I dont care how many resturants, art shows etc etc etc, if I can't walk down the street without worrying about getting shot at, mugged or Raped....That's not Vibrant....
(....http://www.city-data.com/forum/phila...ia-county.html.....Right from the Philly forums)
2 - Technology Center
3 - Very Lush and Green as pointed out above. one of the leading cities for LEED based buildings
4 - Better Public Schools
5 - higher pecentage of young population with Degrees
Add U City (120K) and N Libs, Art Musuem, Fishtown, Pennsport, Southwark, Passyunk Sq (Up and coming quickly) etc.
We can agree to disagree, I prefer Philly you do not. IMHO I can not get the same urban experience or lifestyle in Pittsburgh, but again this is my preferance, yours is not the same as mine - fine
U City is only that amount when Students are in....its less than 50k durning the summer when the census is taken...
Oakland, Shadyside are much larger in Popluation when students are back in the fall...Unforunantly this is not when the census takes place....Pittsburgh would probably be 400-500k during this time.
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We can agree to disagree, I prefer Philly you do not. IMHO I can not get the same urban experience or lifestyle in Pittsburgh, but again this is my preferance, yours is not the same as mine - fine
You a homer of Philly - I am not....that's where this whole thing parts ways....homer is always going to prefer their hometown....but Philly it is bigger and does some things better (some things its does not) its not legions above Pittsburgh I'm sorry its not!
Please allow a neutral party to weigh in. I've only been to Philly and didn't get much time to look around, I was not very impressed but again I was only there on my way to NYC. I've researched both cities a lot.
Philly is Philly and that cannot be stated enough. A former National Capital, birthplace of our Constitution, and so much more including the Rocky steps.
Pittsburgh however is a place I've been feeling very drawn to. I cannot get enough of the pictures BlackBeautee has posted, they are beautiful. Pitts. Pa looks to be a great, vibrant city with a stunning setting. Besides the NBA, which is vital to life for me, I cannot think of anything I'd be missing to live in Pittsburgh over Philly. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to vote on which ones better, I've never truly experienced either. However, nobody has proven to me why a possible move to PA should go one way or the other.
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