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Old 07-30-2021, 02:14 PM
 
Location: Houston(Screwston),TX
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I know this is a list full of major cities but is anyone willing to do a thread on small size cities with rich black culture? There's quite a few all throughout America that never get the credit they deserve due to their size.
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Old 07-30-2021, 02:18 PM
 
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Not a city but NJ and Ohio deserve some mentions.
On a state level, no doubt. New Jersey doesn't have individual cities large enough to compete.

As for cities only, I would argue that Cleveland and Cincinnati are way up there. Top 10-15 for Cleveland and top 15-20 for Cincinnati.
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Old 07-30-2021, 02:39 PM
 
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That's good stuff....I was thinking one could probably call it an honorary HBCU. Then I decided to look up the colleges and universities with the largest percentage of Black students to see which ones aren't designated as HBCUs and found out that in 2007, a new designation was created for mostly two-year institutions with at least 40% Black student population: Predominantly Black Institutions (PBI). Maybe some folks here knew this but I didn't.
Another NYC college that may fit the PBI status is this one in Jamaica Queens: https://www.york.cuny.edu/

This information is from Fall 2019: https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/co....asp?ID=190691

So, it is close either way and is pluralistically more black in enrollment.

Some 4 year colleges that fit the PBI criteria: https://www.mcny.edu/
https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/co....asp?ID=190114

https://bloomfield.edu/
https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/co....asp?ID=183822

https://www.peirce.edu/
https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/co....asp?ID=214883

https://www.martin.edu/
https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/co....asp?ID=151810

https://www.uwa.edu/
https://nces.ed.gov/globallocator/co....asp?ID=101587
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Old 07-30-2021, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Baltimore
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I know this is a list full of major cities but is anyone willing to do a thread on small size cities with rich black culture? There's quite a few all throughout America that never get the credit they deserve due to their size.
Richmond CA
Savannah GA
Youngstown OH
Watts CA
New Haven CT
East Orange/Lawnside/Newark NJ
Plainfield NJ
Albany GA
Aurora CO
Saginaw/Lansing/Flint/Grand Rapids MI
Charleston SC
Chattanooga TN

Honorable mention:
Brockton MA
some city in West Virginia I can’t remember

Off the top of my head
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Old 07-30-2021, 03:34 PM
 
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Richmond CA
Savannah GA
Youngstown OH
Watts CA
New Haven CT
East Orange/Lawnside/Newark NJ
Plainfield NJ
Albany GA
Aurora CO
Saginaw/Lansing/Flint/Grand Rapids MI
Charleston SC
Chattanooga TN

Honorable mention:
Brockton MA
some city in West Virginia I can’t remember

Off the top of my head
This is where say a city/area like Syracuse is extremely underrated on the history front. Big time underground railroad city: https://pacny.net/freedom_trail/

where the nation's 2nd black lawyer set up shop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Boyer_Vashon

the 2nd black mayor in the US occurred in the metro area: https://www.rbhousemuseum.org/wp-con...dShermanSM.pdf

Harriet Tubman is lived and is buried in the area(Auburn, in which 2 of its 4 first non native settlers were black): https://www.harriettubmanhome.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Tubman_Grave

It is home to the Abolitionist Hall of Fame in Peterboro(a rural Underground RR community where there are still descendants that live on Elizabeth Street): https://www.nationalabolitionhalloffameandmuseum.org/

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9648...4!9m2!1b1!2i37

The birthplace of one of the first black female doctors in the country and her father was an abolitionist(lived on city's East Side): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Loguen_Fraser , https://www.nationalabolitionhalloff...ey-loguen.html

A black inventor of the modern golf tee/2nd black grad of Harvard's dental school was born and raised in the metro area(Oswego): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Franklin_Grant His family came from MD and Oswego played a big part in the UGRR due to being on Lake Ontario, which made it easy to get to Canada and some others just stayed. It has the first public library that allowed black patrons in the country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswego...note-nrhpdoc-2

A couple examples of homes built by early black families in Oswego: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_a...McKenzie_House

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan...sa_Green_House

Both of the homes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan...sa_Green_House

Connected to the previous city, is this event that took place in Syracuse in 1851: https://www.waer.org/local-news/2017...wn-underground

It is also where the first black Heisman Trophy winner attended college: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernie_Davis (There is a dorm named after him and a couple of statues of him on the Syracuse University campus. There is also a school named after him in Elmira)

Syracuse University has a history of having black QB's in its Football program going back to the 1930's. This Tuskegee Airman was the first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmeth_Sidat-Singh

Some others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Custis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatus_Stone

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...-wilson-2.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_McPherson (should have been the first black QB to win the Heisman Trophy in 1987)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Graves

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donovan_McNabb among some others.

This former college about 30 minutes to the south had the nation's first black college professor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New-York_Central_College
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_L._Reason

I'll stop there, but this could go for other areas in Upstate NY. A quick example, this man born in between Utica and Schenectady and grew up partially in Cooperstown is the first professional black baseball player(when you include the minor leagues): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Fowler

So, Upstate NY in general is very underrated in this regard.

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Old 07-30-2021, 07:56 PM
 
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This is where say a city/area like Syracuse is extremely underrated on the history front. Big time underground railroad city: https://pacny.net/freedom_trail/

where the nation's 2nd black lawyer set up shop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Boyer_Vashon

the 2nd black mayor in the US occurred in the metro area: https://www.rbhousemuseum.org/wp-con...dShermanSM.pdf

Harriet Tubman is lived and is buried in the area(Auburn, in which 2 of its 4 first non native settlers were black): https://www.harriettubmanhome.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Tubman_Grave

It is home to the Abolitionist Hall of Fame in Peterboro(a rural Underground RR community where there are still descendants that live on Elizabeth Street): https://www.nationalabolitionhalloffameandmuseum.org/

https://www.google.com/maps/@42.9648...4!9m2!1b1!2i37

The birthplace of one of the first black female doctors in the country and her father was an abolitionist(lived on city's East Side): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Loguen_Fraser , https://www.nationalabolitionhalloff...ey-loguen.html

A black inventor of the modern golf tee/2nd black grad of Harvard's dental school was born and raised in the metro area(Oswego): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Franklin_Grant His family came from MD and Oswego played a big part in the UGRR due to being on Lake Ontario, which made it easy to get to Canada and some others just stayed. It has the first public library that allowed black patrons in the country: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswego...note-nrhpdoc-2

A couple examples of homes built by early black families in Oswego: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_a...McKenzie_House

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan...sa_Green_House

Both of the homes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan...sa_Green_House

Connected to the previous city, is this event that took place in Syracuse in 1851: https://www.waer.org/local-news/2017...wn-underground

It is also where the first black Heisman Trophy winner attended college: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernie_Davis (There is a dorm named after him and a couple of statues of him on the Syracuse University campus. There is also a school named after him in Elmira)

Syracuse University has a history of having black QB's in its Football program going back to the 1930's. This Tuskegee Airman was the first: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilmeth_Sidat-Singh

Some others: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Custis

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avatus_Stone

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb...-wilson-2.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_McPherson (should have been the first black QB to win the Heisman Trophy in 1987)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Graves

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donovan_McNabb among some others.

This former college about 30 minutes to the south had the nation's first black college professor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New-York_Central_College
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_L._Reason

I'll stop there, but this could go for other areas in Upstate NY. A quick example, this man born in between Utica and Schenectady and grew up partially in Cooperstown is the first professional black baseball player(when you include the minor leagues): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Fowler

So, Upstate NY in general is very underrated in this regard.
Correction in terms of the bolded via street view: https://goo.gl/maps/LiawBtZVYBm7YmqA6

Just to add, this Renaissance man was born and raised in Auburn, where it’s high school Football stadium is named after him: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_H._Holland
http://t0.gstatic.com/licensed-image...bP6IfCyoEYm9po
Stadium: https://www.swbr.com/news/auburn-hol...grand-opening/
More:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=HKVSjh0V30U&feature=share

He is buried in the same cemetery as Harriet Tubman, Fort Hill Cemetery. I believe some of his distant relatives still live in the city. It’s SW Quadrant is where the city’s black community is generally concentrated with a few churches and the Booker T. Washington Center as neighborhood institutions. It is about 30-35 minutes west of Syracuse and 45-50 minutes east of Rochester.

More from the small city of 28,000, this man that was a professor at FAMU and is noted as a founder of Alpha Phi Alpha is from the city/immediate area: https://www.alphaeast.com/history-of...henry-chapman/
Charles Henry Chapman (Auburn is in Cayuga County)

https://www.waer.org/arts-culture/20...rn-4th-graders (I believe he was a descendant of the first 2 black non native settlers)

On a side note, 2 other founders of Alpha Phi Alpha were from Upstate NY. This preacher’s son born in Rochester and largely raised in Binghamton is one of them: https://www.callisfoundation.org/about/

The other is a Troy native that became NY State’s first black engineer: https://www.lansingburghhistoricalso...-naacp-founder
https://www.gbkfoundation.org/who-we-are

Both came from parents from VA.

I’ll stop there, but may drop some more information related to Upstate NY related to sorority founders, the first black mayor of Washington DC, an abolitionist/women’s right activist born enslaved in the Hudson Valley and more later.
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Old 07-30-2021, 10:20 PM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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On a state level, no doubt. New Jersey doesn't have individual cities large enough to compete.

As for cities only, I would argue that Cleveland and Cincinnati are way up there. Top 10-15 for Cleveland and top 15-20 for Cincinnati.
And I think Columbus has the largest population of the cities in the state.
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Old 07-30-2021, 11:25 PM
 
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And I think Columbus has the largest population of the cities in the state.
In total numbers, yes. That is correct. Columbus is is at 280,000 and Cleveland is at 200,000. But Columbus has a much larger land area.

At the county level, Cuyahoga (Cleveland) and Franklin (Columbus) are almost identical in population, both around 1.2 million. Cuyahoga is around 380,000 blacks to Franklin, which is around 300,000. Then if you factor in surrounding counties, you can add 150,000 for Cleveland and 40,000 for Columbus.

So, it's more like 530,000 blacks within 30 or so miles of Cleveland to 340,000 within 30 miles of Columbus. Then you factor in that a vast majority of blacks in Cleveland (and surrounding areas) are African American and now have been in the region for 80-plus years, it's no comparison between the two.

Columbus' black population has exploded, but it's really been the past 20 years. And the two biggest reasons are 1. Somalis (yes, black. African American? In time, but too new to have an influence yet on the culture). 2. Transplants from the Cleveland area. I'd say that upward of 20 to 25 percent of Columbus' black population can trace their family lineage back to either Somalia or Greater Cleveland within the past 20 years.

With that, Columbus definitely is an upcoming city/area for black influence. But it's still too new. And while the total numbers have surpassed Cincinnati (if you don't include Dayton, which I kind of view Cincinnati/Dayton into one, especially black culture wise), it still doesn't have the history as those SW Ohio cities.

Regardless, Ohio in general is very slept on in black culture. It's like people got this perception it's nothing but corn farmers (maybe mistaking it for Iowa, IDK).

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Old 07-31-2021, 12:03 AM
 
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I know this is a list full of major cities but is anyone willing to do a thread on small size cities with rich black culture? There's quite a few all throughout America that never get the credit they deserve due to their size.
Steubenville, Ohio.

No city quite like it, IMO. A melting pot of blacks, Italians, Greeks, eastern European immigrants and Applachians. It was/is a wide open city (before Vegas was Vegas, Steubenville was Las Vegas ... a lot of the early dealers/pit bosses in Vegas were brought in from Steubenville).

From a black standpoint, while only 25 percent black and a small town, Steubenville a big city mentality. Gods (5-percenters) run deep there. Black consciousness goes back to the 1800s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses_Fleetwood_Walker


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhnwZ_ZyPeM
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Old 07-31-2021, 12:21 AM
 
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I 100% disagree that Ohio is slept on. This is like when someone said Michigan was slept on. Everyone knows about those states.

Slept on is Kentucky Arkansas Nevada Kansas Missouri Connecticut Wisconsin Delaware etc..

Not Lebron James and Magic Johnsons homestates. Not Detroit and Bone Thugs. Not ‘Get It In Ohio’ not the ‘Ohio Players’ not Shad Moss
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