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Again, where are your numbers? Narrow streets, more compact? Yes of course Philadelphia is more of that than Chicago, but denser? This is where the numbers come in handy. If you want to get into day time populations as well, which is more accurate of the "feel" then would be glad to get that as well.
You admit that Philly is more compact(aka dense), then go on to question if Philly is denser(aka compact). Dense and compact are synonyms.
Chicago is only slightly denser than Philly, and thats only because Chicago doesn't have anything on the level of Fairmount Park(9,200 acres). Philly takes up less land area, but has more parkland(10,000+acres) than Chicago. So while the numbers may say Chicago is denser, in reality Philadelphia has a much denser built environment. Anyone whos been to both will tell you that most Philly neighborhoods feel denser and more compact than Chicago's.
I disagree...lived and been in both. Philadelphia has a lot of abandonment in certain areas (portions of north and west Philly). Philadelphia's rowhouses might make it seem denser...but a lot of those houses aren't being inhabited in the aforementioned areas.
In addition, Chicago has two international airports within the city limits; vast industrial areas on the south side; and there are over 7600 acres of parkland in Chicago (A zoo, 31 beaches and two conservatories among other things inside of that). Sizable portions of Chicago are not filled with neighborhoods.
I disagree...lived and been in both. Philadelphia has a lot of abandonment in certain areas (portions of north and west Philly). Philadelphia's rowhouses might make it seem denser...but a lot of those houses aren't being inhabited in the aforementioned areas.
In addition, Chicago has two international airports within the city limits; vast industrial areas on the south side; and there are over 7600 acres of parkland in Chicago (A zoo, 31 beaches and two conservatories among other things inside of that). Sizable portions of Chicago are not filled with neighborhoods.
I guess Chicago has no abandoned properties in the 'hood?
Philly also has two Airports, a zoo, stadiums, and sprawled industrial areas in the South etc.
Chicagos core is not really dense enough to resemble an east coast city.
This started it. A comment like this really should be better thought out before it's posted (IMHO). People are going to try to disprove you, and it seems as though there are some pretty good arguments.
I will admit that Chicago maintains high density over a larger area. Outside of Philly you abruptly go from urban to suburban to exurban to rural(about 20 miles from the city line in any direction).
I guess Chicago has no abandoned properties in the 'hood?
Philly also has two Airports, a zoo, stadiums, and sprawled industrial areas in the South etc.
What other airport are you mentioning...Northeast?? Even Philly International isn't all that big (it is busy though).
The things Philadelphia and Chicago have...large parks, airports, and industrial sites...exist in every city. Therefore, it doesn't really make sense to say that "fairmount park is so big, it skews statistics" etc etc...because other cities with larger amounts of parkland could then make the argument for why their density numbers are messed up.
What other airport are you mentioning...Northeast?? Even Philly International isn't all that big (it is busy though).
The things Philadelphia and Chicago have...large parks, airports, and industrial sites...exist in every city. Therefore, it doesn't really make sense to say that "fairmount park is so big, it skews statistics" etc etc...because other cities with larger amounts of parkland could then make the argument for why their density numbers are messed up.
Chicago does not have anything on the scale of Fairmount Park, especially porprtionally given Philly's smaller land area. So it does skew the numbers. Fairmount Park is the largest city owned park in the US, and few other cities have anything comparable.
Chicago does not have anything on the scale of Fairmount Park, especially porprtionally given Philly's smaller land area. So it does skew the numbers. Fairmount Park is the largest city owned park in the US, and few other cities have anything comparable.
...and Philly doesn't have airport or industrial areas anywhere on the scale of Chicago's.
Fairmount park numbers are misleading, because people think it's just one connected park. You do realize that your Fairmount park numbers is for all of the Fairmount parkland (63 parks) in Philadelphia? Fairmount/Wissahickon park (the main block of it) is 4,167 acres.
That's smaller than a number of city parks including Forest park in Portland, griffith park in L.A, and Eagle Creek park in Indianapolis.
...and Philly doesn't have airport or industrial areas anywhere on the scale of Chicago's.
Fairmount park numbers are misleading, because people think it's just one connected park. You do realize that your Fairmount park numbers is for all of the Fairmount parkland (63 parks) in Philadelphia? Fairmount/Wissahickon park (the main block of it) is 4,167 acres.
That's smaller than a number of city parks including Forest park in Portland, griffith park in L.A, and Eagle Creek park in Indianapolis.
Chicago is only more dense because of the amount of high-rise residential buildings in the core. I have been to both, and Philly most definitely "feels" denser. The streets in Chicago are enormous and very few buildings in the residential sections are connected:
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