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Well, you're one person who has an obvious interest in putting Los Angeles in the best light possible. I'm going to have to take the opinions of Shoup, Eidlin, and multiple posters in the L.A. forum.
Not true... there are plenty of examples of me being critical of LA (I'm not a native either).
For instance, I do think DC is more walkable and has better PT than LA.
Edit: I also don't disagree that the city puts too much emphasis on parking (though now at least it is always underground parking), and certainly did in the past with the surface lots. Luckily surprisingly brisk infill has and is cutting way down on those surface lots.
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I don't think a "mindset" really has much to do with it. I still own a car and enjoy driving very much. But driving is simply too impractical for most daily excursions. There's nowhere to put your car. People generally give up their cars because they have to, not because they want to.
As do I in Rittenhouse but would never dream of using it to go out in the city. I use it for work or to venture out of the city.
I didnt mean to own or not, just how the use is for function.
I would never drive from Rittenhouse to No Libs whereas many in LA will drive from Hollywood to bars just off sunset strip (is it wilshire?) And the amount of valet there when driving down is apparent. Again I not bashing LA at all but this is the mindset thing. Cars are also more status in LA than many other urban areas. While stereotypical there is something to it...
Not true... there are plenty of examples of me being critical of LA (I'm not a native either).
For instance, I do think DC is more walkable and has better PT than LA.
Edit: I also don't disagree that the city puts too much emphasis on parking (though now at least it is always underground parking), and certainly did in the past with the surface lots. Luckily surprisingly brisk infill has and is cutting way down on those surface lots.
My take on some what he wrote was both in function and form; so underground is a positve yet the impact of the driving is still in existence thus diminishing the functional form that may have been improved in the frst place.
Theatre lets out people take elevator to their car instead of exiting and filling the street and establishments if that makes sense. Obviously these all assume absolutes which dont exist
Fair enough. I think this discussion has more to do with how much damage control you think the government should have done or can do for their screw up with Slavery/Jim Crow/Segregation etc. etc. which has shaped the problems in the African American population in this country to date in cities and states all over the nation.
There is a mile long cause and effect model we could draw that starts way back in the 1600's leading up to today for this topic. Failure after failure after failure which was all just a band-aid on a gunshot wound to begin with which I'm sure you will agree with. The real question is, now that the 300-400 years of damage is done, how do we fix the remnants of generational poverty stricken residents?
Welfare is the absolutely most retarded policy known to man. Programs like that are the reason many poor uneducated black people have been enabled to be unemployed for so long etc. etc. Funny things, the governments response to fix their failed policy is stopping welfare all the while not coming up with a real plan on combating the problem and the real reason people are on welfare to being with.
I guess that's why they call it an epidemic. It will probably take 600 years to undo 300 years of damage from Slavery/Jim Crow/and segregation. Anyway, they can't fix it and neither can we overnight, but its nice see black people in D.C. benefiting from something finally.
Again my points on the DC economy and size of govt have nothing to do with race...
My take on some what he wrote was both in function and form; so underground is a positve yet the impact of the driving is still in existence thus diminishing the functional form that may have been improved in the frst place.
Theatre lets out people take elevator to their car instead of exiting and filling the street and establishments if that makes sense. Obviously these all assume absolutes which dont exist
I agree that even underground parking hurts street vibrancy, and why LA needs to mix parking minimums. Yet LA still has vibrant streets... It can and will get better thru streetdiets, increased mix use TOD, increased transit and parking maximums. LA is hardly alone in this across the US, but is a leader.
Redskins have won 3 superbowls...LA teams, only 1.
PLus LA fans are fairweather to an extent that wouldn't be allowed on the East Coast
3 superbowls, the most recent of which was 21 years ago, while L.A. hasn't even had an NFL team in almost the same amount of time. The Redskins have only had like 2-3 winning seasons over the last 20 years, which is pathetic.
Regarding LA being walkable and Donald Shoup, et al, I think that a big part of the difference is that LA doesn't have a significant rapid transit system. Shoup says that LA can't support one, but I'm not not sure how he reaches that conclusion. What we do have is supported pretty well despite it being very limited and not going nearly as many places as DC's system. LA's red/purple lines despite being only 17 miles in length have a slightly higher ridership per mile than DC's Metro. In December DC averaged 675k per day (6,350/mile) and in January LA averaged about 145k per day(8,300/mile). If the federal government had decided to build a system for LA instead of DC, things might be very different today.
As it is a large part of LA is much more dense than anything in DC and our trains are generally more crowded. And many people do walk and many live car-free. There are probably just as many car-free here by choice as there are poor that can't afford a car. And people do walk here, but they are discounted because they are minority. I don't even want to get started on that..
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