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It's also definitely a very different layout from actual suburbs which is a huge string of cul-de-sacs, winding roads and blocks upon blocks of single lot homes before getting to even apartment complexes, let alone dense mixed-use or retail outlets.
Not all suburbs are like that. Have you ever been to Bergen County, NJ? Most inner ring suburbs of East Coast cities would be considered "dense" compared to the much larger lot, cul-de-sac construction of the last 20 years or so. Takoma Park and Silver Spring, MD are excellent examples of denser suburbs. But the fact remains that they're still suburbs and have many of the characteristics of the outer ring burbs.
Stop playing stupid. The amenities were all within a 1 mile of some random neighborhood you posted, claiming it was suburban. It took me five minutes to compile all the nearby amenities. By and large, the area does lend itself to walking, as I showed with actual evidence, not biased opinion.
You can also live in Largo, MD and be within .3 miles of a grocery store and other amenities. Yet this neighborhood doesn't look too walkable, huh? The mere fact that you can walk to a grocery store does not make a much larger area walkable.
You can also live in Largo, MD and be within .3 miles of a grocery store and other amenities. Yet this neighborhood doesn't look too walkable, huh? The mere fact that you can walk to a grocery store does not make a much larger area walkable.
You can also live in Largo, MD and be within .3 miles of a grocery store and other amenities. Yet this neighborhood doesn't look too walkable, huh? The mere fact that you can walk to a grocery store does not make a much larger area walkable.
Not all suburbs are like that. Have you ever been to Bergen County, NJ? Most inner ring suburbs of East Coast cities would be considered "dense" compared to the much larger lot, cul-de-sac construction of the last 20 years or so. Takoma Park and Silver Spring, MD are excellent examples of denser suburbs. But the fact remains that they're still suburbs and have many of the characteristics of the outer ring burbs.
Yea, inner ring suburbs are sometimes really nice. I've lived in those on the East Coast, too.
A lot of northern New Jersey qualifies as urban--I'm not sure why that takes Los Angeles out of contention (though the suburbs of Los Angeles are for the most part suburban).
We should probably talk about our definitions of urbanity. Mine is one of function. I basically look for a large area where there is easy and daily interplay among residential, commercial, retail, and recreational use.
A lot of northern New Jersey qualifies as urban--I'm not sure why that takes Los Angeles out of contention (though the suburbs of Los Angeles are for the most part suburban).
What is the title of this thread?
And which is more urban: Englewood, NJ or Harlem, NY?
My point is that you can't prove how walkable a whole area is by pointing out a neighborhood's proximity to a grocery store.
What you can prove is that Koreatown is denser than any neighborhood in DC. That seems to be the favorite argument for urbanity that east coasters use, so why does it not hold up in this comparison? I won't hold my breath for an answer that isn't full of backpedaling
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