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Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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Originally Posted by danielj72
The point of this thread was to talk about how your state would be without its largest city. In our case the state of Michigan would be better off without the decay and corruption of Detroit. Detroits problems have made our entire state a laughing stock. The whole Kwame thing really took the cake. Kwame is a great example of what Detroit really is. Thuggish, crime ridden and corrupt. Would our state be better off without all that???? Of course it would. Now SUBURBAN Detroit is valuable and contributes a great deal to our state. Suburban Detroit builds things, creates things, and is productive. My statement does not apply to them at all, since it would be a great loss to Michigan to lose the suburban areas that produce so much economically for Michigan. You cite my hatred of the city as something that disgusts you and that is fine, but if you think about it you dont have much good to say about the rest of Michigan. From your posts I have gathered that you blame suburbia and outstate Michigan for abandoning Detroit. You think its our fault it looks like it does. Our adversarial exchanges on this forum are a small example of why Detroit has not been fixed.
how much do you come to Detroit?
because you basing everything on what Kwame has done (clearly without knowin the whole story) shows you get everything you "know" from the media........do us a favor....stay on the Western side of the state and stop worrying about what the hell is going in Detroit
and fyi, the way suburbia started IS one major reason Detroit is the way it is. And your damn right _______ MICHIGAN! and I'm pretty sure you know what I mean
I have to disagree about Michigan being better off w/o Detroit. Love the city or hate it, it's really the only concentration of US (traditional) car-makers, and we're not talking small companies here. Ford, GM, Chrysler, and not to mention the state of Michigan's only real pro-sports presence only solidifies it.
I don't personally care about Detroit, but you can't just dismiss it either. And that's just looking at it on paper.
Suburbs do not create wealth they are the result of wealth (a metro-area trait). More often than not, the city is the entity that provides jobs.
I agree. Alabama, like Tennessee, has multiple cities to pick up the slack.
Montgomery ain't much, but it's the state capitol. Huntsville is growing by leaps and bounds, as is much of Northern Alabama. Mobile has a huge seaport. The biggest state universities are in Tuscaloosa, Troy, and Auburn.
Besides being in the heart of the state, one of the biggest things Alabama loses is their airport...but I'm sure the others would pick up the slack (plus, there's Atlanta Hartsfield, which isn't that far from a good bit of the population).
Alabama would be hurt, but not devastated.
Mobile has the biggest state university as well the University of South Alabama.
Mobile has the biggest state university as well the University of South Alabama.
Point is, Alabama doesn't have all their eggs in one basket. They wouldn't be Mississippi without Birmingham...maybe more like Oklahoma, with smaller, more spread cities.
Illinois would be much weaker without Chicago, that's for sure. Not to mention, the Chicago metro makes up approximately 2/3rds of Illinois' population, when I calculated the population figure on my own(versus overall state population) once.
-no huge international airport(O'Hare), nor another significant but smaller airport(Midway)
-significantly fewer corporations and companies having offices in the state
-no major water port, other than probably a few on the Mississippi River at most
-much less retail operating statewide
I would imagine Rockford, Moline, Peoria, Bloomington, and Champaign would have to pick up the most slack to make up for the loss of Chicago, and other cities would have to do so as well(i.e. Waukegan, Joliet, Decatur, Springfield). Peoria would probably be Illinois' most important city, without Chicago. Would also imagine neither Naperville nor Aurora would have anywhere near their current population, as they benefited due to waves of Metro Chicago population moving west in recent decades. But even then, I couldn't imagine the infrastructure(and especially when you look at the number of interstates that were built in northern and central IL, i.e. I-39, largely so that north-south truck traffic between Wisconsin and central Illinois can bypass driving through the Chicago area altogether) that would develop in this state would rival the significant amount that exists today as a result of tax dollars flowing into IL because of the Chicago area, and just all surrounding states and cities would be a lot more powerful. Namely Detroit, Saint Louis, Indianapolis, and Milwaukee, and a lot of the smaller ones would probably be bigger as well(Madison, Grand Rapids, Fort Wayne).
You get the idea, and then some....
And southern Illinois wouldn't be such a toilet.
I'm pretty sure Cairo would have grown into a big (or medium sized) city, and maybe some other towns down here would have grown significantly. I would imagine if Chicago never grew, Cairo would look a lot like Pittsburgh being it was a big river port, with suburbs reaching into and around the Shawnee hills. Marion, carbondale, and Harrisburg would be satellite cities, st. Louis and Paducah Kentucky would probably be in a CSA with Cairo.
I also think the Central Illinois cities would be significantly larger as well with Peoria being the central point.
I'm also for certain St. Louis would probably be in the top ten largest cities list too.
I kinda want to make a map with every largest city from each state missing and make the other cities compensate for population and see what happens.
I have to disagree about Michigan being better off w/o Detroit. Love the city or hate it, it's really the only concentration of US (traditional) car-makers, and we're not talking small companies here. Ford, GM, Chrysler, and not to mention the state of Michigan's only real pro-sports presence only solidifies it.
I don't personally care about Detroit, but you can't just dismiss it either. And that's just looking at it on paper.
Suburbs do not create wealth they are the result of wealth (a metro-area trait). More often than not, the city is the entity that provides jobs.
The GM headquarters is in downtown Detroit, but much of Michigans car manufacturing is in Detroits suburbs, or spread out acrost Michigan in outstate towns like Flint, Lansing, Grand Rapids or Saginaw. Ford for example is heavily concentrated in the Detroit suburb of Dearborn. Detroits suburbs are the REAL Detroit. The city itself is a broken shadow of itself, and some report the city to be at least 1/3 abandoned. You are right in most cities the suburbs are a result of wealth, but southeast Michigan is different. Detroit destroyed itself after its 1967 riots and most of the wealth left the city. Everything was moved to the suburbs, not just the people. Manufacturing, shopping all left the city. There is alot of animosity in Michigan about Detroit, and this is especially strong in the southeast Michigan area. Blame and anger is everywhere and in some cases it comes down to outright hatred. No city in America has a divide between suburb and city the way metro Detroit does. THis has existed since 1967 and it shows no signs of letting up. The only effort put into Detroit has been the revitalizing of parts of the downtown. There is an area in downtown Detroit where the stadiums and Casinos have been built that is really nice. This is a very small area surrounded by ruins. The Casino/ballpark area is really alot like the greenzone in Bagdad, a place of saftey surrounded by disorder. Not much is really made in Detroit proper, it is the suburbs where the cars are designed and built. A previous poster has repeatedly called me a Detroit basher, but really I am like alot of Michigan residents who live outside of metro Detroit. I am just sick of the negative image that place is giving our whole state. Michigan is a nice place, a beautiful place but all people seem to see here is the sterotype of ruined Detroit they have read about in the papers.
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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I have to disagree about Michigan being better off w/o Detroit. Love the city or hate it, it's really the only concentration of US (traditional) car-makers, and we're not talking small companies here. Ford, GM, Chrysler, and not to mention the state of Michigan's only real pro-sports presence only solidifies it.
I don't personally care about Detroit, but you can't just dismiss it either. And that's just looking at it on paper.
Suburbs do not create wealth they are the result of wealth (a metro-area trait). More often than not, the city is the entity that provides jobs.
^this. Like I said, if you don't like Detroit fine but MI would not be better off without us.
Of course some Michigander is going to come on here going on and on about how the auto idustry and original Detroiters moved (themselves and their businesses) to the burbs but they able to do so as a result of what the city provided them. Good jobs that enabled them to go from poor to wealthy, living in neighborhoods like Indian Village and Palmer Woods before making their way to the burbs. Also, many suburbanites STILL work in downtown Detroit.
The top 30 cities in the state of Illinois would get 326,828 people . . . . A PIECE.
Thats everything from Springfield to Herrin.
Organize that into industrial and river hub regions most likely to receive population we are looking at 3 or 4 cities in Illinois with over a million people.
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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The GM headquarters is in downtown Detroit, but much of Michigans car manufacturing is in Detroits suburbs, or spread out acrost Michigan in outstate towns like Flint, Lansing, Grand Rapids or Saginaw. Ford for example is heavily concentrated in the Detroit suburb of Dearborn. Detroits suburbs are the REAL Detroit. The city itself is a broken shadow of itself, and some report the city to be at least 1/3 abandoned. You are right in most cities the suburbs are a result of wealth, but southeast Michigan is different. Detroit destroyed itself after its 1967 riots and most of the wealth left the city. Everything was moved to the suburbs, not just the people. Manufacturing, shopping all left the city. There is alot of animosity in Michigan about Detroit, and this is especially strong in the southeast Michigan area. Blame and anger is everywhere and in some cases it comes down to outright hatred. No city in America has a divide between suburb and city the way metro Detroit does. THis has existed since 1967 and it shows no signs of letting up. The only effort put into Detroit has been the revitalizing of parts of the downtown. There is an area in downtown Detroit where the stadiums and Casinos have been built that is really nice. This is a very small area surrounded by ruins. The Casino/ballpark area is really alot like the greenzone in Bagdad, a place of saftey surrounded by disorder. Not much is really made in Detroit proper, it is the suburbs where the cars are designed and built. A previous poster has repeatedly called me a Detroit basher, but really I am like alot of Michigan residents who live outside of metro Detroit. I am just sick of the negative image that place is giving our whole state. Michigan is a nice place, a beautiful place but all people seem to see here is the sterotype of ruined Detroit they have read about in the papers.
see what I'm saying. and fyi Detroit didn't destroy itself. The people did, both suburban and city the like. Deny it all you want but its true.
Location: Detroit's eastside, downtown Detroit in near future!
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Originally Posted by danielj72
The GM headquarters is in downtown Detroit, but much of Michigans car manufacturing is in Detroits suburbs, or spread out acrost Michigan in outstate towns like Flint, Lansing, Grand Rapids or Saginaw. Ford for example is heavily concentrated in the Detroit suburb of Dearborn. Detroits suburbs are the REAL Detroit. The city itself is a broken shadow of itself, and some report the city to be at least 1/3 abandoned. You are right in most cities the suburbs are a result of wealth, but southeast Michigan is different. Detroit destroyed itself after its 1967 riots and most of the wealth left the city. Everything was moved to the suburbs, not just the people. Manufacturing, shopping all left the city. There is alot of animosity in Michigan about Detroit, and this is especially strong in the southeast Michigan area. Blame and anger is everywhere and in some cases it comes down to outright hatred. No city in America has a divide between suburb and city the way metro Detroit does. THis has existed since 1967 and it shows no signs of letting up. The only effort put into Detroit has been the revitalizing of parts of the downtown. There is an area in downtown Detroit where the stadiums and Casinos have been built that is really nice. This is a very small area surrounded by ruins. The Casino/ballpark area is really alot like the greenzone in Bagdad, a place of saftey surrounded by disorder. Not much is really made in Detroit proper, it is the suburbs where the cars are designed and built. A previous poster has repeatedly called me a Detroit basher, but really I am like alot of Michigan residents who live outside of metro Detroit. I am just sick of the negative image that place is giving our whole state. Michigan is a nice place, a beautiful place but all people seem to see here is the sterotype of ruined Detroit they have read about in the papers.
Main reason I would NEVER live anywhere else is stupid state. smh esp the burbs.
Secondly, there is more revitalization outside of downtown than people think. Downtown isn't the only area seeing some revitalization. But of course you wouldn't know that because like many people you don't really come into the city
here is a link that has some pictures of neighborhoods that have seen some revitalization.
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