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Old 05-25-2011, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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That's what's so crazy about Oakland. The good neighborhoods and bad neighborhoods are polar opposites. Considering its overall crime rate its amazing how crime free some of the hill neighborhoods - really like almost half the city is. The downside is that the bad hoods are that much worse. Glad to see the drops it has been having recently though. Richmond too.
Yes, Oakland is a city of huge contrasts.

The Hills(Pop 100,000) are a well dressed, sophisticated, bucolic, posh world of privilege and affluence. Its like the Hollywood Hills, only more highly educated and less materialistic.

The Flatlands of East and West Oakland on the other hand(Pop 200,000) are a hodgepodge of hit and miss areas, some okay, others definitely NOT.
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:51 AM
 
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Is Nashville that bad? I was thinking of moving there because 1. Hipster haven 2. diverse culture. I had always heard Memphis equals ghetto, Nashville equals decent.

And for Buffalo, that's about right. A lot of rough areas in Buffalo. You can find some cool places like Elmwood, Allentown, Delware area. The rest is pretty rough. I don't like walking the streets at night even in the nice areas.
With Buffalo, it's largely about the drug game and you should be fine, for the most part, as long as you are not involved. Parkside and parts of South Buffalo are pretty nice too.
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Old 05-25-2011, 09:56 AM
 
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Is Nashville that bad? I was thinking of moving there because 1. Hipster haven 2. diverse culture. I had always heard Memphis equals ghetto, Nashville equals decent.

And for Buffalo, that's about right. A lot of rough areas in Buffalo. You can find some cool places like Elmwood, Allentown, Delware area. The rest is pretty rough. I don't like walking the streets at night even in the nice areas.
yeah believe everything you hear. Memphis is a total ****hole. Nashville is a perfectly safe & clean utopia. Yeah right... Most people in TN seem to believe that. That's what I had always believed before I actually visited Nashville.

And unlike Memphis, Nashville actually takes up the whole county. So even with safe, suburban areas in its city limits, it still manages to have a high crime rate.

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Old 05-25-2011, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Glendale, CA
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Yes, Oakland is a city of huge contrasts.

The Hills(Pop 100,000) are a well dressed, sophisticated, bucolic, posh world of privilege and affluence. Its like the Hollywood Hills, only more highly educated and less materialistic.

The Flatlands of East and West Oakland on the other hand(Pop 200,000) are a hodgepodge of hit and miss areas, some okay, others definitely NOT.
It has to be worse than "not OK" if Oakland is one of the top 5 most crime-ridden cities in the US.

Nobody doubts that there are nice areas of Oakland, but it would appear on average to be a VERY violent city. But fortunately it looks like it's getting better.

And why oh why do you need to take a dig at L.A. in seemingly every post?
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Old 05-25-2011, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Los Altos Hills, CA
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It has to be worse than "not OK" if Oakland is one of the top 5 most crime-ridden cities in the US.
Actually Oakland is now 6th.

And no one is casting aspersions about the state of crime in Oakland but to be honest, crime does not define our lives

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And why oh why do you need to take a dig at L.A. in seemingly every post?
Actually I rarely take digs at LA and that comment was not really meant to be a dig at LA or the Hollywood Hills.

The Oakland Hills and the Hollywood Hills are very similar in their levels of affluence and size, but the Hollywood Hills are more centered around entertainment and show business and the flashiness that surrounds that industry. People in the Oakland Hills are professionals who work in industries where advanced degrees are far more useful.

For the record, there's nothing wrong with being flashy.

Furthermore, for some unknown reason, you felt the need to say that Oakland is always mentioned in these rankings-which may be true, but was that not a "dig"?
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Old 05-25-2011, 12:00 PM
 
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Does Richmond CA have at least 100,000 people? You'll notice that Camden or say Saginaw isn't listed either.
Both Richmond,CA and Lowell, MA have around 100,000 people...and according to the FBI stats about the same violent crime rate. And I guess Richmond improved last year---so I'm not sure how much it's improved. It was just a gut reaction, that I picture Richmond as being a more violent place with the past murder rate in the area which was close to 45-50 for a city of barely a 100,000 people.

What's suprising is when this is posted about Lowell on Wikipedia...Not sure if what's below it's accurate or if it got that much worse last year. Statistics can be reported differently from one study or year to the next.

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In 2008, the Violent crime Rate for Lowell was 1,126.3 per 100,000 of the population, ranking it the 7th most violent city in Massachusetts right ahead of Boston with 1,104 per 100,000.[43]

Since 1990, Lowell has averaged about 5 homicides per year with the highest being 13 homicides in 2006. In 2009, Lowell was ranked as the 139th most dangerous city of over 75,000 residents in the United States, out of 393 communities. Out of Massachusetts cities, nine are larger than 75,000 residents, and Lowell was fifth most dangerous or safest.[45] For comparison Lowell is rated safer than Boston (104 of 393), Providence RI (123), Springfield (51), Lynn (120), Fall River (103), and New Bedford (85), but rated more dangerous than Cambridge (303) , Newton (388), Quincy (312), and Worcester (175).
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Old 05-25-2011, 12:02 PM
 
Location: Glendale, CA
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Actually Oakland is now 6th.

And no one is casting aspersions about the state of crime in Oakland but to be honest, crime does not define our lives


Actually I rarely take digs at LA and that comment was not really meant to be a dig at LA or the Hollywood Hills.

The Oakland Hills and the Hollywood Hills are very similar in their levels of affluence and size, but the Hollywood Hills are more centered around entertainment and show business and the flashiness that surrounds that industry. People in the Oakland Hills are professionals who work in industries where advanced degrees are far more useful.

For the record, there's nothing wrong with being flashy.

Furthermore, for some unknown reason, you felt the need to say that Oakland is always mentioned in these rankings-which may be true, but was that not a "dig"?
I was commenting on how certain cities show up in the lists quite frequently (including Oakland, Flint, Baltimore, etc.), but Rockford and Springfield were surprises. The cities that show up in the list frequently are a verifiable fact.

Calling the Hollywood Hills less educated and more materialistic is really an opinion, and of course it's a dig. Unless you have any facts/data to support that claim.
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Old 05-25-2011, 12:15 PM
 
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Folks this list is based on violent crime, which doesn't include thefts, burglaries, drug dealing, prostitution, illegal gambling, etc. That's why some of the "usual suspects" are missing from the list.

property crimes are never added to these type of lists, the lists that people publicize the most is violent crimes. And the ones in red are not index crimes, the reason why the "usual suspects" are not on the list is because they have falling crime numbers or they could just be playing with their numbers.
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Old 05-25-2011, 12:16 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Rockford, IL doesn't surprise me but Springfield, IL does. Hmm.
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Old 05-25-2011, 12:33 PM
 
Location: Southeast Texas
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Dallas has done a good job of lowering its violent crime rate over the last five years. Even though Miami is still higher than many, it has also lowered its violent crime rate over the last several years.
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