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View Poll Results: Which city is the largest rail hub? (freight, passenger etc)
Chicago 30 61.22%
New York 16 32.65%
Not sure 3 6.12%
Voters: 49. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 08-02-2011, 08:49 AM
 
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I think the NYC area has been the top air hub for quite awhile now, if not always. It had 103,585,000 passengers pass through its major airports last year, about 16% higher than the next top city.

Chicago use to be up there with O'hare and Midway, but has fallen below NYC and is even with Atlanta's airport as far as 2nd place. O'hare had severe restrictions put in place in 2005 because of capacity.

The airport is undergoing a $6 billion upgrade and 60% expansion of capacity. They've finished one new runway, a large runway expansion and a new control tower, with a second new runway under construction. After three new runway projects and a proposed new terminal on the west side of the airport, the tollway is looking to go through with a new project putting a tollway around the west/south sides of the airport, and connecting it with the partially complete western expressway running through the suburbs.

Wrong.

World's busiest airports by passenger traffic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

O'hare was the most busy up until about 10 or 15 years ago when ATL took over #1. 2005 when the restrictions took place did not effect O'hare in the standings on a national level. We are still #2 in the USA. Since then Atlanta has been #1. Besides Atlanta the only other airport that has more traffic than O'hare right now is Bejing.

New York is not even close to Chicago, never really has been. Their airports are actually quite puny.
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Old 08-02-2011, 09:27 AM
 
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It does make me think that Chicago has more rail cars linked miles longer than any rail passenger car running anywhere in NYC. There are some freight cars linked as long as 3-4 miles long on a single track. No passenger train could ever do that. Now if combining both freight and passenger in Chicago would it be bigger than London or Tokyo? Biggest rail hub in the entire world? Well, maybe not Tokyo since it is still the world's largest city.

I found that KC is the 2nd largest freight hub to Chicago.
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Old 08-02-2011, 09:50 AM
 
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Wrong.

World's busiest airports by passenger traffic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

O'hare was the most busy up until about 10 or 15 years ago when ATL took over #1. 2005 when the restrictions took place did not effect O'hare in the standings on a national level. We are still #2 in the USA. Since then Atlanta has been #1. Besides Atlanta the only other airport that has more traffic than O'hare right now is Bejing.

New York is not even close to Chicago, never really has been. Their airports are actually quite puny.
JFK is physically as big as O'hare.
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Old 08-02-2011, 09:57 AM
 
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I'm surprised NY doesn't have it's MTA trains directly linked to JFK and that O'Hare does with it's CTA subway station below the main terminal. Why is that?
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Old 08-02-2011, 10:15 AM
 
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JFK is physically as big as O'hare.

Maybe on planet Zoltron. On earth, JFK does not even have close to the amount of square feet of runway that O'hare has, let alone square feet in general.
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:03 PM
 
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Wrong.

World's busiest airports by passenger traffic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

O'hare was the most busy up until about 10 or 15 years ago when ATL took over #1. 2005 when the restrictions took place did not effect O'hare in the standings on a national level. We are still #2 in the USA. Since then Atlanta has been #1. Besides Atlanta the only other airport that has more traffic than O'hare right now is Bejing.

New York is not even close to Chicago, never really has been. Their airports are actually quite puny.
Might want to check your facts. The NYC area is the largest hub for airport passenger traffic and has been for a long time. We're not just talking a single airport compared to a single airport, we're talking the area as a whole - infrastructure hubs. That would be like comparing freight rail based on a single piece of track in southern Chicago compared to a single piece of track somewhere else.

New York:
JFK: 46,495,000
LaGuaria: 23,983,000
Newark: 33,107,000
Total: 103,585,000

Atlanta: 89,331,000

Chicago:
O'hare: 66,665,000
Midway: 17,340,000
Total: 84,005,000
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:12 PM
 
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Maybe on planet Zoltron. On earth, JFK does not even have close to the amount of square feet of runway that O'hare has, let alone square feet in general.
Look at a map homey!

Chicago O'Hare International Airport Terminal Map for ORD


Map - JFK Airport - Air Cargo - Port Authority of New York & New Jersey
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:27 PM
 
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Thats not true with this case , New Jersey is the hub for the Region not New York City , so Chicago wins. But if this were a Chicago vs New Jersey thread it would be tied.
With regard to freight, survey says... http://andersonatlarge.typepad.com/....bdcb970c-320wi

Look at some of these:

All commodities (tonnage of intermodal and carload): http://www.bts.gov/publications/tran...gure_02_14.gif

Rail Intermodal alone: http://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/freight/frei...alrail2008.jpg

For this question there is an answer, Chicago. North Jersey is a major terminal (a major, not the major), but hardly the nation's largest hub.
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:32 PM
 
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Wrong.

New York is not even close to Chicago, never really has been. Their airports are actually quite puny.
Umm, you're right that Chicago isn't close in terms of air traffic.

Except you have the cities reversed. The NYC airspace is the busiest in the world.

Chicago is only 4th busiest in the U.S., behind NYC, LA and Atlanta. Dallas will soon replace Chicago as #4.

And only looking at major commercial air traffic, there is far more activity and passenger load in the NYC airspace than the Chicago airspace.

Heck, even looking at only JFK-LGA-EWK vs ORD-MDW, NYC kills Chicago.

NYC has more aircraft movements, more passengers, more freight, more international, more everything.
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Old 08-02-2011, 12:35 PM
 
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I'm surprised NY doesn't have it's MTA trains directly linked to JFK and that O'Hare does with it's CTA subway station below the main terminal. Why is that?
They do. In fact, the transfers at JFK and Newark are probably better than at OHare and Midway.

MTA has two stops for JFK. One at Jamaica and the other at Howard Beach. You take take either subway or LIRR (both options at Jamaica, only subway at Howard Beach).

And the Newark Stop is NJ Transit.

BTW, there is no such thing as a "Main Terminal", either at JFK or at Newark. So an exact O'Hare-style arrangement would be impossible.
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