North America's largest downtown business districts by office space, according to Colliers (tallest, best)
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That's still such a Moo point (like a cow's opinion... It doesn't matter. It's always "Moo")! It's a ridiculous argument. It's like complaining that "well, Vegas wouldn't have so many jobs if it weren't for the Casino industry" or "New York wouldn't have nearly so many offices if it weren't for the Finance Industry..." Most cities have a "driver of the economy" in that town. Why should the government being the driver in DC be held against them?
SO WHAT? That's someone's attempt to cut down the numbers, when no matter which way you cut it, no matter where the money comes from, a private business is exactly that... A private business... Period.
You can't try to hold the fact that those businesses bill the government against them and not hold "the business of the town" against companies from other cities. It's just the business of the town. In their case, the government is their client, no different than accounting firms having fortune 500 companies as clients in NYC.
It's an argument by someone who is obviously offended that their city fell below DC in sq numbers (which really isn't even the count that should matter. What should matter is the number of people working downtown). That's just typical of posters on C-D... "Let me make everyone recognize how greater MY city is then their cities..." and they get offended when people post numbers that say otherwise...
For example, someone is trying to add Wilmington, DE to Philly's numbers JUST TO boost their city more... "C'MON Son!" I know Wilmington is influenced by Philly and they get Philly news stations and all, but "C'MON Son!"
Wow and how many points did you miss.............
read back, obviously your comprehnesion leaves much to be desired
On the Wilmington and Jersey it was in regards to the suburban numbers and had nothing to do with the CBD. Those jobs in Jersey or wilmingotn would be like saying those in Rockville or Rosslyn are not part of the DC metro numbers.
Read back my friend. I discuss how impressive the sq footage is.
DC and jobs are driven by deficit spend, my only point. I have no issues with the jobs just want it paid for in the same all others are. The contract jobs are driven by deficit spend. Why should all Amaricans pay for jobs that spend more than they generate?
On the Wilmington and Jersey it was in regards to the suburban numbers and had nothing to do with the CBD. Those jobs in Jersey or wilmingotn would be like saying those in Rockville or Rosslyn are not part of the DC metro numbers.
Yeah, I knew that you were talking suburban. My mistake, didn't mean to flow right into it a make it seem like I was discussing CBD. I wasn't. I was still talking suburban. I said "C'MON Son" to adding them to Philly's numbers, because (although I understand that by many standards, it's part of the Philly Metro, there are also some that do not include it. Just like there are some Metro numbers that combine DC and Baltimore into the DC/Baltimore area which is crazy, BUT DC IS about as close to Baltimore as Dallas is to Fort Worth, or San Francisco is to San Jose) I just don't buy it. I feel they should be separated... People in Wilmington don't identify as telling outsiders that they're from Philly like a person in Palo Alto, CA might say they're from San Fran or a person from Arlington, TX might say they're from Dallas, OR a person from Rockville or Rosslyn/Arlington might say that they're from DC (FMO).
Yeah, I knew that you were talking suburban. My mistake, didn't mean to flow right into it a make it seem like I was discussing CBD. I wasn't. I was still talking suburban. I said "C'MON Son" to adding them to Philly's numbers, because (although I understand that by many standards, it's part of the Philly Metro, there are also some that do not include it. Just like there are some Metro numbers that combine DC and Baltimore into the DC/Baltimore area which is crazy, BUT DC IS about as close to Baltimore as Dallas is to Fort Worth, or San Francisco is to San Jose) I just don't buy it. I feel they should be separated... People in Wilmington don't identify as telling outsiders that they're from Philly like a person in Palo Alto, CA might say they're from San Fran or a person from Arlington, TX might say they're from Dallas, OR a person from Rockville or Rosslyn/Arlington might say that they're from DC (FMO).
Wilmington is significantly closer and more connected to Philly than the bmore/dc, or sf/sj comparison. It's a bookend of the metro, with Trenton being the other one. It's its own city, but is still a suburb of philly.
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Is the list missing Houston or am I missing something?
Houston is split among three large business districts, though all within a few miles of each other. Downtown, Texas Medical Center district, and Uptown. The second is close to passing up downtown Dallas in size and the third is comparable in size to downtown Denver or Pittsburgh.
Houston is split among three large business districts, though all within a few miles of each other. Downtown, Texas Medical Center district, and Uptown. The second is close to passing up downtown Dallas in size and the third is comparable in size to downtown Denver or Pittsburgh.
Actually, according to Grubb Ellis,Uptown Houston already has more office space than DT Dallas.
Yeah, I knew that you were talking suburban. My mistake, didn't mean to flow right into it a make it seem like I was discussing CBD. I wasn't. I was still talking suburban. I said "C'MON Son" to adding them to Philly's numbers, because (although I understand that by many standards, it's part of the Philly Metro, there are also some that do not include it. Just like there are some Metro numbers that combine DC and Baltimore into the DC/Baltimore area which is crazy, BUT DC IS about as close to Baltimore as Dallas is to Fort Worth, or San Francisco is to San Jose) I just don't buy it. I feel they should be separated... People in Wilmington don't identify as telling outsiders that they're from Philly like a person in Palo Alto, CA might say they're from San Fran or a person from Arlington, TX might say they're from Dallas, OR a person from Rockville or Rosslyn/Arlington might say that they're from DC (FMO).
Are F-ing kidding me. You obviously have no idea what the hell you are talking about. Wilmington is ABSOLUTELY part of the Philly metro and FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR closer than almost every place you referenced including those in the DC area. As are places like Cherry Hill excluded.
So Cherry Hill (part of what I said was silly to exclude as part of the Philly Burbs and is closer to Center City than is KOP, would you suggest that KOP is not part of Philly, if so than Tysons would be another area as well let alone Reston or the Route 28 corrider out by Dulles (farther than Wilmington actually for perspective)
You obviously dont know the Philly area at all. I understand the DC dynamic very well, lived in the District, PG county, and Fairfax personally and understand how far all these places are.
And really you are saying Wilmington is like the DC/Balt or SF/SJ Are you serious? You have not a clue to make such ill-informed comparisons. Wilmington is 11 miles from the the Philly border; Reston is nearly 14 miles from DC, is Reston somehow not connected to DC?
Cherry Hill NJ is 5 miles from Center City Philadelphia, Tysons is 9 miles from DT DC; I am not talking about far flung places here...
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Only The Woodland's part. TW seats in two counties.
I am still surprised by the vacancy rate of some of these metros:
San Jose- 64.5M
Vacant: 11M
Percent: 16.5%
San Diego- 69M
Vacant: 12M
Percent: 17%
Palm Beach- 26M
Vacant: 6M
Percent: 22%
Miami: 28M
Vacant: 9M
Percent: 19%
Las Vegas: 26M
Vacant: 8.5M
Percent: 23.5%
Phoenix- 69M
Vacant: 18.5M
Percent: 27%
Looks like Phoenix, ATL, Las Vegas, DFW, and South Florida won't be needing new office construction anytime soon. Betcha they will still be building
Maybe the vacant office space is older than other office buildings. That's why the Elm place building closed in downtown Dallas. Soon the Elm Place building will be redeveloped.
Maybe the vacant office space is older than other office buildings. That's why the Elm place building closed in downtown Dallas. Soon the Elm Place building will be redeveloped.
That is why markets should see to the buildings already there before they flood the market with new ones driving prices down.
That is why markets should see to the buildings already there before they flood the market with new ones driving prices down.
Some of the buildings are filled with absbestos.
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