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I'd say Mississippi. Utah and Texas are getting court cases through their systems. I think it would be awesome if Utah were the next to go, just given their history for butting in and trying to stop it in other states with the Mormons.
I'd say Mississippi. Utah and Texas are getting court cases through their systems. I think it would be awesome if Utah were the next to go, just given their history for butting in and trying to stop it in other states with the Mormons.
Yes, but isn't the Texas and Utah judiciary pretty conservative? Texas has 9 elected Supreme Court justices, all of whom are Republican. The Utah Supreme Court has five justices, appointed by the Republican governor and confirmed by the state senate (consisting of 24 Republicans and 5 dems).
Yes, but isn't the Texas and Utah judiciary pretty conservative? Texas has 9 elected Supreme Court justices, all of whom are Republican. The Utah Supreme Court has five justices, appointed by the Republican governor and confirmed by the state senate (consisting of 24 Republicans and 5 dems).
Yeah but for the most part same sex marriage is a fairly easy equal rights position once you take away anyones "eww" factor or religion. I don't honestly think any court that's ruled on same-sex marriage has ruled against it, because the way our society is set up and the way equal rights are written into the books. People are born gay, they aren't hurting anyone, they're in loving consensual relationships and want to get married just like everyone else. There's honestly no arguement against it on a rational level. I'm not talking about getting married in a church, but the lawful aspect of marriage on a civil level.
If people have a problem with it it's because of the way that civil marriage and the laws on the books for marriage have gotten tangled up with the religious aspect of it. Marriage should be a totally secular issue if you're going to base laws around marriage. The religious ceremony and marriage in the church should be on the same level as a baptism or a special mass, etc.
Yeah but for the most part same sex marriage is a fairly easy equal rights position once you take away anyones "eww" factor or religion. I don't honestly think any court that's ruled on same-sex marriage has ruled against it, because the way our society is set up and the way equal rights are written into the books. People are born gay, they aren't hurting anyone, they're in loving consensual relationships and want to get married just like everyone else. There's honestly no arguement against it on a rational level. I'm not talking about getting married in a church, but the lawful aspect of marriage on a civil level.
You're argument makes sense, but not all decisions are dealt with in such a rational manner. Despite what we would like to believe, judges often vote based on ideology and not solely the merits of any given case. I find it hard to believe that at least 5 members of the Texas Supreme Court would vote to permit same gender marriage. Remember, even 4 members of the US Supreme Court voted to let DOMA stand. I am more than willing to be surprised, however.
Further to this, a federal court in Oklahoma has not even been willing to schedule a hearing to a couple challenging a same gender marriage ban after 9 years of filing a suit: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/1...p_ref=politics While some may disagree, I fully believe there are "activist judges" with both liberal and conservative agendas.
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You're argument makes sense, but not all decisions are dealt with in such a rational manner. Despite what we would like to believe, judges often vote based on ideology and not solely the merits of any given case. I find it hard to believe that at least 5 members of the Texas Supreme Court would vote to permit same gender marriage. Remember, even 4 members of the US Supreme Court voted to let DOMA stand. I am more than willing to be surprised, however.
Further to this, a federal court in Oklahoma has not even been willing to schedule a hearing to a couple challenging a same gender marriage ban after 9 years of filing a suit: Oklahoma Gay Marriage Ban Lawsuit Still Pending 9 Years Later While some may disagree, I fully believe there are "activist judges" with both liberal and conservative agendas.
Yes, very true, I understand that. I suppose a lot of it also depends on how their constitutions are written. In Iowa it was a 7-0 ruling even though many justices were appointed by a republican governor. They interpreted the constitution though and there was no question that it was a straightforward case of inequality. Iowa has a very strong constitition in that regards though, it ruled on social issues sometimes more than 100 years before the US did. The state has a lot of firsts.
Yes, very true, I understand that. I suppose a lot of it also depends on how their constitutions are written. In Iowa it was a 7-0 ruling even though many justices were appointed by a republican governor. They interpreted the constitution though and there was no question that it was a straightforward case of inequality. Iowa has a very strong constitition in that regards though, it ruled on social issues sometimes more than 100 years before the US did. The state has a lot of firsts.
Yes, Iowa has always had more progressive politics than its neighbors to the north, west and south. I wasn't totally caught off-guard when same gender marriage was enacted there, though three of the judges were subsequently voted out over the matter in a recall: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/04/us...dges.html?_r=0. This reality, I'm sure, is not lost on those already conservative judges in Texas and Utah who will be considering this issue.
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