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I know of SFs social ills because I listen to bay area artist. Which in turn, prompted me to look up the specific SF neighborhoods in which they discussed.
But there aren't any well-known artists from San Francisco. Too Short is from Oakland (not SF). He was right in the sense that poverty in SF is not on many people's radar. No artist from SF has ever been as prominent as Ice Cube.
Overall culture and vibe is more Southern CA than PNW. It's much closer to SoCal, has way more ties, and is in the same state. Outside of SF/Oak/Berkeley I really don't see anything that is remotely like the PNW and it's much more like SoCal imo.
Overall culture and vibe is more Southern CA than PNW. It's much closer to SoCal, has way more ties, and is in the same state. Outside of SF/Oak/Berkeley I really don't see anything that is remotely like the PNW and it's much more like SoCal imo.
What are the ties between San Francisco and So Cal cities that aren't found in the Pacific Northwestern cities?
I think it's much more similar to southern California. The multiculturalism, the scope, the wealth, the inequality, the semi-arid environment.
Yes on all these.
The only commonality with the PNW is the liberal hippie vibe and the Asian and gay populations. However, the liberal side is touted so much as SF's most prominent feature that I was expecting it to be just a larger version of PNW cities in all other ways too, and completely didn't expect all the aspects listed above.
What are the ties between San Francisco and So Cal cities that aren't found in the Pacific Northwestern cities?
A lot more business ties between the two places. A lot more people have family and move between the two parts of the state imo. Cultural ties. The connection between SoCal and the Bay Area is much stronger than the PNW and that's evidenced by how many people travel between the two.
I always thought that if you wanted to define SF by comparing it to other cities, it would be some kind of combination of the denser parts of LA, Seattle, and Pittsburgh, with a little bit of Brooklyn and lower Manhattan splashed onto it. Maybe a little Boston too. In fact I think that's one of the reasons why so many people are enamored with SF. They find things that remind them of home, yet at the same time everything is so different, and it's all in this amazing natural setting. Of course those are just rough comparisons, and SF is really it's own thing, like any city...but it would be wrong to say that it doesn't have some similarities to other cities.
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This is more representative of SF's residential areas, I'd say:
They're both representative of SF's residential areas. What you posted is much more common in the northeast and central part of the city, while what the other guy posted is typical of the southern and eastern parts of SF.
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Very wrong. While there is gang activity in the Mission, painting the latino community with a gang-connected brush is flagrantly inaccurate and absurd. It is also morally wrong, as well as wrong in reality, to say that black people don't matter in SF.
I think you're downplaying how big a part gangs have played in SF's latino community since the 1970s. What lunaticvillage said is true...I don't think he was trying to say the entire Latino community is gang-connected though (of course it's not), just that it has long had a serious problem with gangs. And when he says "black people don't matter" he means that in the eyes of the city government, that's how it's seemed for the majority of SF's black population for the majority of the past 60 years.
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Actually, I think the really bad parts of SF are the ones that are not gentrifying. Paris, too, "is an international city renowned as being one of the top ten most beautiful cities in the world" that has grittier sides that aren't seen by visitors. The nature of most tourism is that tourists visit the touristy parts of cities.
I disagree. Every single one of SF's high-crime areas aside from the depths of the projects is seeing some level of gentrification, even if it's just a tiny amount. And even the worst projects are slowly being torn down and rebuilt. Most poor/high crime parts of SF are less poor and less crime-ridden than they were a decade ago, though they are obviously still poor/rough/high-crime areas.
And Paris does have a reputation of sorts for bad neighborhoods, probably more so than SF, whether it's deserved or not. I've seen plenty of people complain about the supposedly crime-ridden suburbs and outer neighborhoods of Paris, and there have even been some pretty high profile movies in the past decade that have sensationalized it (mostly known in Europe of course, not the US). The same can't really be said for SF, which for the record has a much higher violent crime rate than Paris, and a higher violent crime rate than the majority of US cities for that matter (yet most people will wrongly claim SF is extra safe for a US city, because that's what stereotypes have told them to believe).
I mean, there have even been attempts to shed some light on the bad side of SF, and they got nowhere literally because of stereotypes. There was supposed to be a showtime series about gang life in SF ("Sucker Free City"), that was directed by Spike Lee, but it was dropped after the pilot episode because the network executives decided that that there wasn't a big enough market for a gang-life show set in SF (and it was actually shot here too! In the projects! No Vancouver stand-in BS). Instead we get shows about gay men dating each other, because that's what the stereotypes say the reality is, and far more people are familiar with that.
But there aren't any well-known artists from San Francisco. Too Short is from Oakland (not SF). He was right in the sense that poverty in SF is not on many people's radar. No artist from SF has ever been as prominent as Ice Cube.
What, did Rappin' 4 Tay and RBL Posse not ever break out on the East Coast in the 90s?
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