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View Poll Results: More important?
Atlanta 109 54.77%
Miami 90 45.23%
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Old 09-12-2014, 06:25 PM
 
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Here's an interesting bit of information - according to the 2014 Wealth Report

"The Knight Frank Global Cities Survey keeps track of which cities are of most importance to the world’s wealthiest people. It ranks cities based on four factors: Economic Activity, Quality of Life, Knowledge & Influence and Political Power, as well as taking into account the number of UHNWIs (Ultra High Net Worth Individuals)who call each city home,"

include New York and Miami - the only two US cities in the top 10.

Global Cities | The Wealth Report 2014

This year's top 10

  1. London
  2. NYC
  3. Singapore
  4. Hong Kong
  5. Geneva
  6. Shanghai
  7. Miami
  8. Dubai
  9. Beijing
  10. Paris
Take from it what you may and with a grain of salt - it might be meaningless to most here and to this thread. However, it's interesting that NYC and Miami are the two top US cities (and by a wide margin) currently developing the most luxury real estate in the US. It speaks to the confidence and value ultra wealthy investors world wide hold in them with their discretionary real estate investments. Like it or not, UHNWIs and their advisors by nature are more in tune to financial and global trends - and are arguably more qualified and certainly more influential than your average CD forum er.

- See more at: Global Cities | The Wealth Report 2014

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Old 09-12-2014, 06:58 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I've put together a list of places all over the world and outside of the United States that you can go to from Southeast Florida. Interestingly, Miami and New York are the only cities (by far by the way) with over 100 destination points worldwide. Third place Houston only has 73, followed by fourth place Atlanta at 72, and fifth place Los Angeles at 68, sixth place Chicago at 67, seventh Dallas at 54, eighth Washington at 53, and after that the next highest are below fifty. I'm mildly disappointed with the rest of the big cities for punching below their weight and being more closed off to various points in the world.

Needless to say, it's highly reflective of how international of a city Miami is.

001. Aguadilla
002. Amsterdam
003. Andros Town
004. Antigua
005. Armenia (Colombia)
006. Aruba
007. Asuncion
008. Barbados
009. Barcelona
010. Barcelona (Venezuela)
011. Barranquilla
012. Belem
013. Belize City
014. Belo Horizonte
015. Berlin
016. Bermuda
017. Bogota
018. Brasilia
019. Brussels
020. Buenos Aires
021. Cali
022. Camaguay
023. Campinas
024. Cancun
025. Cap-Haitian
026. Caracas
027. Categena de Indias
028. Cayman Brac
029. Cienfuegos
030. Cochabamba
031. Copenhagen
032. Cozumel
033. Curacao
034. Curitiba
035. Doha
036. Dusseldorf
037. Fortaleza
038. Fort-de-France
039. Frankfurt
040. Freeport
041. George Town
042. Governor's Harbour
043. Grand Cayman
044. Grenada
045. Guatemala City
046. Guayaquil
047. Halifax
048. Havana
049. Helsinki
050. Holguin
051. Kingston
052. La Paz
053. La Romana
054. Liberia
055. Lima
056. Lisbon
057. London
058. Madrid
059. Managua
060. Manchester
061. Manaus
062. Maracaibo
063. Marsh Harbour
064. Medellin
065. Mexico City
066. Milan
067. Montego Bay
068. Montevideo
069. Montreal
070. Moscow
071. Munich
072. Nassau
073. New Bight
074. North Eleuthera
075. Oslo
076. Ottawa
077. Panama City
078. Paramaribo
079. Paris
080. Pointe-a-Pitre
081. Port-au-Prince
082. Porto Alegre
083. Port of Spain
084. Providenciales
085. Puerto Plata
086. Punta Cana
087. Quebec City
088. Quito
089. Recife
090. Rio de Janeiro
091. Roatan
092. Rome
093. Saint Kitts
094. Saint Lucia
095. Saint Maarten
096. Salvador de Bahia
097. San Jose
098. San Pedro Sula
099. San Salvador
100. San Salvador (Bahamas)
101. Santa Clara
102. Santa Cruz de la Sierra
103. Santiago de Chile
104. Santiago de Cuba
105. Santiago de los Caballeros
106. Santo Domingo
107. Sao Paulo
108. South Bimini
109. Stockholm
110. Tegucigalpa
111. Toronto
112. Toluca
113. Treasure Cay
114. Valencia (Venezuela)
115. Winnipeg
116. Zurich
Over half of those destinations are in the Caribbean region alone. The majority of all air carriers that operate home bases out of those cities don't have the means (fleet) to operate any relevant international network. Their fleets are limited to that region and their point of entry is MIA because it's the closest point of entry into the US and don't have the fleet to expand to other US markets nor would they try because of low yields. Other cities like Atlanta, Los Angeles, Chicago and San Francisco are far more isolated from foreign territory geographically speaking and no airline in the world is going to operate long haul flights shuttling junk yields from Caribbean resorts to major US cities.

If you think having borderline charter airlines flying people out to island resorts makes Miami a more international destination then I don't know what to say to you. Your air routes are not diversified like other major US cities. International is global and the last time I checked there is more to the world than just Europe and South America.
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Old 09-12-2014, 07:14 PM
 
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Over half of those destinations are in the Caribbean region alone. The majority of all air carriers that operate home bases out of those cities don't have the means (fleet) to operate any relevant international network. Their fleets are limited to that region and their point of entry is MIA because it's the closest point of entry into the US and don't have the fleet to expand to other US markets nor would they try because of low yields. Other cities like Atlanta, Los Angeles, Chicago and San Francisco are far more isolated from foreign territory geographically speaking and no airline in the world is going to operate long haul flights shuttling junk yields from Caribbean resorts to major US cities.

If you think having borderline charter airlines flying people out to island resorts makes Miami a more international destination then I don't know what to say to you. Your air routes are not diversified like other major US cities. International is global and the last time I checked there is more to the world than just Europe and South America.
And what? Can you demonstrate where any other city outside of NYC has as much reach for this hemisphere? Your rationalizations mean nothing in the grand scheme. Atlanta is a premier hub for the US and Miami, with its connectivity to this hemisphere and Europe is an undeniable gateway to half the world.
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Old 09-12-2014, 07:23 PM
 
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And what? Can you demonstrate where any other city outside of NYC has as much reach for this hemisphere? Your rationalizations mean nothing in the grand scheme. Atlanta is a premier hub for the US and Miami, with its connectivity to this hemisphere and Europe is an undeniable gateway to half the world.

This hemisphere?? International goes FAR beyond this hemisphere. MIA is a leisure destination and business ties to Latin America are strong, but Europe is mostly low yield leisure traffic MIA doesn't even have a flight to the Far East. The most populated and fastest growing economy on Earth.

Your numerous destinations to leisure resorts within a hour or two means little. Check back when you get a flight to Tokyo lol!!
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Old 09-12-2014, 07:36 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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This hemisphere?? International goes FAR beyond this hemisphere. MIA is a leisure destination and business ties to Latin America are strong, but Europe is mostly low yield leisure traffic MIA doesn't even have a flight to the Far East. The most populated and fastest growing economy on Earth.

Your numerous destinations to leisure resorts within a hour or two means little. Check back when you get a flight to Tokyo lol!!
Yes that list is hilarious. Currently, all of the top 20 flights departs from or arrives at one of nine cities in North America (Atlanta, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, Los Angeles, Newark, New York City, San Francisco, Toronto).
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Old 09-12-2014, 07:46 PM
 
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Leisure/Pleasure and global real estate are billion dollar industries. Miami pulls it's weight. Why scoff? Give props. Miami was merely a retirement resort for aging Northerners 40yrs ago. Now it's the cruise capital and a huge Yacht manufacturing center. That list isn't hilarious, it's impressive.
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Old 09-12-2014, 08:04 PM
 
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This hemisphere?? International goes FAR beyond this hemisphere. MIA is a leisure destination and business ties to Latin America are strong, but Europe is mostly low yield leisure traffic MIA doesn't even have a flight to the Far East. The most populated and fastest growing economy on Earth.

Your numerous destinations to leisure resorts within a hour or two means little. Check back when you get a flight to Tokyo lol!!
LOL all you want, because with development of long haul flight connective ability that Miami will have them, sooner rather than later. Far East interest in Miami is exponentially developing. As evidence, witness Hong Kong Swire's Brickell City Center and Singapore's Genting interests. If global trends in relation to investment remain bullish on Miami's future and its ability to connect to the rest of this hemisphere and Europe then Miami is in great shape to capitalize - especially given the apparent confidence of those interests I cited in an earlier post. I firmly believe dynamic cities like Atlanta are in the same position. Miami long haul flights to Asia are already being developed and I believe last year MIA was the top international cargo port in the US. Given this.... can you demonstrate what US city outide of NYC has as much connectivity to this hemisphere and Europe - our half of the world, and the closest geographically to us?
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Old 09-12-2014, 08:04 PM
 
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Our cityscape is evolving as well. With as many as five active supertalls proposed (over half with financing already), one of them was approved by the city council in Miami last week and will start their process now.

Voters approve SkyRise Miami
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Old 09-12-2014, 08:10 PM
 
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Our cityscape is evolving as well. With as many as five active supertalls proposed (over half with financing already), one of them was approved by the city council in Miami last week and will start their process now.

Voters approve SkyRise Miami
That tower looks like it going to make MIAMI ugly to be honest it doesn't fit in with the rest of the buildings but it does looks nice.

We have a few tower proposals here to in Atlanta like 98 14st.
3 tower Proposal highest as in 60 stories and this not the only proposal in Atlanta that's quite big.
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Old 09-12-2014, 08:38 PM
 
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LOL all you want, because with development of long haul flight connective ability that Miami will have them, sooner rather than later. Far East interest in Miami is exponentially developing. As evidence, witness Hong Kong Swire's Brickell City Center and Singapore's Genting interests. If global trends in relation to investment remain bullish on Miami's future and its ability to connect to the rest of this hemisphere and Europe then Miami is in great shape to capitalize - especially given the apparent confidence of those interests I cited in an earlier post. I firmly believe dynamic cities like Atlanta are in the same position. Miami long haul flights to Asia are already being developed and I believe last year MIA was the top international cargo port in the US. Given this.... can you demonstrate what US city outide of NYC has as much connectivity to this hemisphere and Europe - our half of the world, and the closest geographically to us?
Hong Kong Swire's Brickell City Center has been in Miami for years. It will take more than that to lure Cathay Pacific or any other Asian carrier. The fact is Miami is a low yield market with exception to Latin America. No legacy foreign carrier from Asia is going to start ULH flights to MIA with low PDEW and toilet yields.

You keep harping on "This Hemisphere" but in reality there are only two maybe three cities in that entire region that are prominent on the world stage Buenos Aires,Sao Paulo and Rio. The other cities in that region are not even close and border a third world environment.


Atlanta has numerous flights to European cities as does San Francisco and Los Angeles. So you can give up on the Europe side of things. It's a wash
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