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Nah, nobody outside of Texas cares much about Rice, it is a second tier private school. Good? Sure. But it isn't on the same playing field as Cal or Stanford, or even UC Davis for that matter. I mean ARWU (one of the most, if not the most respected university ranking system in the world) has Stanford at 2, Cal at 4, UCSF at 18, UT at 39, and Rice at..... 82....
Rice being in the top 10 or 20 is one of those common "only in Texas" moments. Sit down boys.
No need to be rude. Rice a very small private research university, it punches well above its weight with a student population of ~6500. Most national publications do put Rice in the top 20. I hope this is an area that Texas would try and emulate CA in, investing in a better public higher education system.
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COL, Houston owns it. But I'll bet on innovation in SF anytime.
Innovation is pretty subjective. It's pretty innovative to me the large scale capital projects being designed and produced in the Houston area. Putting pipeline infrastructure and operations on the ocean floor and drilling under the immense the depth of the ocean and earth takes a lot of knowledge driven jobs.
Like I said, Cali/Bay Area education is top in the world, but Houston is still 2nd in engineering jobs (behind the Bay Area) and is a second second tier STEM city.
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Plus the one thing Houston touts all day, energy, is also in the SF Bay Area too. Huge wind energy projects in the Altamont and Chevron, plus many refineries. Obviously not touted by SF residents, but it is there too.
SF does have energy, but it's not on the same level. Texas leads the nation in energy, O&G production and renewable energy. Houston greatly leads the Bay Area in O&G refining: http://www.eia.gov/petroleum/refiner...ity/table3.pdf
Houston also can tout a small tech industry, O&G requires big data.
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Yea Houston has a huge port, but the Bay Area has multiple ports in Oakland, Richmond, Vallejo, Redwood City, SF, and other burbs on the waterways leading to the Bay.
Houston has multiple ports as well, with the Port of Houston being the giant. Again, Houston is on another level as it has become a major global logistics and manufacturing hub. The Houston metro is the largest exporter in the US now with $30-40 billion in additional refining capacity, maintenance, and upgrades planned.
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There is really nothing Houston has to offer that SF doesn't already have besides being cheap.
Well it offers things for the middle class and a greater socioeconomic group than SF. Houston has a healthy mix of good paying STEM and blue collar jobs. They are two different cities that both have the strongest economies right now.
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But most world class cities ain't cheap, it comes with job.
Yep. Houston isn't a world class city and won't follow in the Bay Area's exclusiveness.
I'm not comparing Houston to SF Universities per se, but I have to challenge this notion that Houston is lacking in the higher education arena. Houston is Home to the prestigious Rice University which by any measure is among the top 10 or 20 Universities in the country depending on who you ask. Also, let's not forget Houston is served by both the University of Texas and Texas A&M in close proximity which are ACADEMICALLY near the upper tier of public universities. Not too mention the University of Houston making strides into tier one status.
Its not that it is lacking but that's not an area where Houston competes well with it's peers. DFW is the same way. Putting more money into UT and TAMU's satellite universities would be very beneficial, along with UH and Texas Tech.
i feel like the sun belt cities are more equivalent to large sprawling suburbs. San Francisco somehow gained a large density of people which is great, probably because of the small city boarders.
That aside, i think big manufacturing companies and industry will be attracted to Houston, and tech companies will be attracted to San Francisco. we see this trend is already in progress. in the future, i believe that Houston will have a bigger GDP from the large manufacturing companies, but San Francisco wont be far behind, technology is the future. both cities seem to have a bright future, and will become more important in the coming years
i feel like the sun belt cities are more equivalent to large sprawling suburbs. San Francisco somehow gained a large density of people which is great, probably because of the small city boarders.
That aside, i think big manufacturing companies and industry will be attracted to Houston, and tech companies will be attracted to San Francisco. we see this trend is already in progress. in the future, i believe that Houston will have a bigger GDP from the large manufacturing companies, but San Francisco wont be far behind, technology is the future. both cities seem to have a bright future, and will become more important in the coming years
I don't see Houston surpassing the Bay Area. But I think both will improve and get bigger.
And regarding your point about SF, it's mainly dense because it is very old and was built up that way before the car (like many of the older dense cities of the east). For a very long time, SF was really the only "big city" in the west.
I don't see Houston surpassing the Bay Area. But I think both will improve and get bigger.
And regarding your point about SF, it's mainly dense because it is very old and was built up that way before the car (like many of the older dense cities of the east). For a very long time, SF was really the only "big city" in the west.
Hence why if you say The City in Norcal, ppl from Fresno to Tahoe to Sac and Eureka know you mean SF.
i feel like the sun belt cities are more equivalent to large sprawling suburbs. San Francisco somehow gained a large density of people which is great, probably because of the small city boarders.
That aside, i think big manufacturing companies and industry will be attracted to Houston, and tech companies will be attracted to San Francisco. we see this trend is already in progress. in the future, i believe that Houston will have a bigger GDP from the large manufacturing companies, but San Francisco wont be far behind, technology is the future. both cities seem to have a bright future, and will become more important in the coming years
I think you umderestimate the manufacturing power around SF. Sure, in Houston it has a Houston address because in Texas you can annex land easier than you can breath, but that doesn't really change anything. Oakland, Fremont, Richmond, Antioch, Pittsburg all have a pretty strong manufacturing and heavy industry presence. Manufacturing is booming in the Central Valley cities like Tracy and Lathrop that are fast becoming SF burbs.
Don't get me wrong, Houston does well here. Just don't cut out manufacturing in SF just because you are looking through the microlens of city political boundaries. Metro areas are more complicated than that.
First of all they dumb of sf and hou are going to get on LAs and Chis level that will never happen. San Francisco is wayy more relevant than houston. I dont like houston . San Francisco kicks houstons behind when it comes to economic importance SF contributes more than houston. They are not on the same level Sf anyday.Also with SF being a world class city. Sf isnt on nyc la or chi' level but is always comes before houston when it comes to diversity and importance and influence. West coast wins easily
I think you umderestimate the manufacturing power around SF.
And most people underestimate the technology and knowledge needed to be a global energy hub. Both areas are being powered by advances in technology.
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