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Dupont Circle is not a touristy area. South Beach is WAY busier than the West Village on the weekends. That doesn't make it more urban.
Except for the dead of winter, when West Village dies down dramatically and South Beach is hitting peak tourist season, or when there is a specific large event at South Beach, it's unlikely South Beach is actually going to have more people within its borders or on its streets. Right?
I think the busy-ness of the streets if it's consistent can count towards a place being more urban. It at the very least can be related through the foot traffic allowing for a greater density of retail businesses to survive. The only issue is if that tourism component is so overwhelming that it crowds out the existence of other non tourist oriented businesses such that it actually makes urban living worse for the residents.
Want to add that South Beach is very much an urban neighborhood.
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Except for the dead of winter, when West Village dies down dramatically and South Beach is hitting peak tourist season, or when there is a specific large event at South Beach, it's unlikely South Beach is actually going to have more people within its borders or on its streets. Right?
No. South Beach is THE main draw of South Florida and it's where most tourists go. On a typical Friday night or Saturday afternoon, there will not only be heavy pedestrian traffic on Ocean Drive, but also decent amounts of pedestrian traffic on side streets and heavy volumes along Collins, Washington, etc. Not to mention motorcycle traffic, scooter traffic, exotic car traffic, drunk people in the middle of the street traffic, etc. It's a party, scene-to-be-seen area so it is naturally going to be busier than the typical urban residential neighborhood.
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Originally Posted by OyCrumbler
Want to add that South Beach is very much an urban neighborhood.
It is. But it's busy-ness doesn't make it more urban than Dupont Circle or the Village. It is a tourist mecca that people flock to for the express purpose of walking around to be seen.
I think the busy-ness of the streets if it's consistent can count towards a place being more urban. It at the very least can be related through the foot traffic allowing for a greater density of retail businesses to survive. The only issue is if that tourism component is so overwhelming that it crowds out the existence of other non tourist oriented businesses such that it actually makes urban living worse for the residents.
That is why I posted those transit/walking stats earlier. In non-touristy residential areas, pedestrian volume is by far its highest during rush hour, and since transit riders (in urban cores) are by definition pedestrians for at least part of their commute, it gives us some indication of how busy these cores are.
Dupont Circle is not a touristy area. South Beach is WAY busier than the West Village on the weekends. That doesn't make it more urban.
I'm not sure the premise is true. Dupont Circle, to me, seems busier than Santa Monica, except possibly RIGHT on the few blocks of the 3rd Street Promenade, and even there, I don't think it's generally busier than Connecticut Ave, except maybe on weekends around dinnertime.
Connecticut Ave. is a very busy seven-day corridor and the Metro station delivers pretty intense crowds. 3rd Street in Santa Monica is pretty quiet during the day.
And the West Village almost certainly has heavier pedestrian traffic than South Beach, unless we're only talking the far West Village, which is entirely residential, and comparing only to Ocean Drive/Collins Ave.
South Beach isn't that busy except at night, and pretty much only along Ocean/Collins/Lincoln. Every major north-south street is busy day-and-night in the West Village.
OK, let the record show that FreddyK1 is obviously the banned or suspended former FreddyK, and that 100% of FreddyK1's posts will be utter nonsense (see all posts on Santa Monica and Long Beach on previous page).
No. South Beach is THE main draw of South Florida and it's where most tourists go. On a typical Friday night or Saturday afternoon, there will not only be heavy pedestrian traffic on Ocean Drive, but also decent amounts of pedestrian traffic on side streets and heavy volumes along Collins, Washington, etc. Not to mention motorcycle traffic, scooter traffic, exotic car traffic, drunk people in the middle of the street traffic, etc. It's a party, scene-to-be-seen area so it is naturally going to be busier than the typical urban residential neighborhood.
It is. But it's busy-ness doesn't make it more urban than Dupont Circle or the Village. It is a tourist mecca that people flock to for the express purpose of walking around to be seen.
West Village is certainly not a typical urban residential neighborhood. Aside from the high residential density, there are also a number of companies located within or adjacent to the West Village and a very substantial number of tourists.
The most urban part of Santa Monica is similar to the West Village in that sense but not to as great of a scale.
OK, let the record show that FreddyK1 is obviously the banned or suspended former FreddyK, and that 100% of FreddyK1's posts will be utter nonsense (see all posts on Santa Monica and Long Beach on previous page).
I assumed you would say that, being who you are.
I had a mix up with my password. Sorry to dissapoint the biggest liar on the forum.
I dont see anyone agreeing with your bs on Long Beach NY/SM comparison. You're biased, just admit it. Almost everything you say is wrong. It's really incredible.
Dupont Circle is not a touristy area. South Beach is WAY busier than the West Village on the weekends. That doesn't make it more urban.
Suburbanites head to Dupont Circle, Georgetown, Adams Morgan/U St on the weekends.
There isnt alot of other places for them to go for fun, as I've pointed out before.
Same goes for tourists.
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