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View Poll Results: Which cities would you choose?
Kansas City 64 29.91%
Pittsburgh 123 57.48%
Indianapolis 38 17.76%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 214. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-16-2016, 01:02 PM
 
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You're moving the goal post.

You do understand that city limits have nothing much to do with daily life, except for in legal and administrative terms? You can't compare kicking field goals on different sized fields. They have to be standardized to compare. The city limits are largely arbitrary. Adjusting for land area or possibly urban area would be best, but most people are satisfied with metro region comparisons.

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Old 03-16-2016, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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That makes no sense. The homicide per capita of a city has nothing to do with land mass.
As stated, the statistics do show that suburban areastend to be "safer", though you'll find many who will argue with you about that. So cities that have annexed a lot of suburban areas have the advantage of these semi-suburban neighborhoods that have low crime rates to dilute the inner-city crime rates. This is not intended to be a commentary on the "whys" of this issue.
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Old 03-16-2016, 03:34 PM
 
Location: CHICAGO, Illinois
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Lived in Kansas City and Indianapolis. I haven't been to Pittsburgh, so I can't comment, but it seems like an interesting city. Pittsburgh seems to have really nice cultural institutions and universities, mostly because of its place as an industrial power back in the day. The setting and skyline are beautiful too.

As for KC and Indy, I love them both. For the life of me, I don't understand why C-D gives Indianapolis such a hard time. I went to university there for a couple of years and had a good time. The downtown is really nice and vibrant; Monument Circle is an urban space most cities would kill to have. It has some nice intercity neighborhoods like Lockerbie, Fountain Square, the Old Northside as well as some decent suburbs. I had traveled to Myanmar before I moved to Indy, so I was pleasantry surprised to find an array of Burmese restaurants and volunteer opportunities in the city. You're close to Chicago, Louisville, Cincinnati, the Indiana Dunes, hikes in Southern Indiana, ect.

Not a racing person either, but I love the Indy 500. A lot of energy and a surprisingly international event. I would recommend it as a bucket list item.

Kansas City is also an amazing city. Very proud to be from KC.

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Old 03-17-2016, 12:11 AM
 
Location: Nashville, TN
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Lived in Kansas City and Indianapolis. I haven't been to Pittsburgh, so I can't comment, but it seems like an interesting city. Pittsburgh seems to have really nice cultural institutions and universities, mostly because of its place as an industrial power back in the day. The setting and skyline are beautiful too.

As for KC and Indy, I love them both. For the life of me, I don't understand why C-D gives Indianapolis such a hard time. I went to university there for a couple of years and had a good time. The downtown is really nice and vibrant;
Compared to Kansas City and Pittsburgh, I wasn't impressed...Most of the streets were empty after 5 p.m. and I noticed quite a few boarded up/painted up uninhabited buildings. The skyline was also very lacking considering the size of the city.

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Monument Circle is an urban space most cities would kill to have. It has some nice intercity neighborhoods like Lockerbie, Fountain Square, the Old Northside as well as some decent suburbs. I had traveled to Myanmar before I moved to Indy, so I was pleasantry surprised to find an array of Burmese restaurants and volunteer opportunities in the city. You're close to Chicago, Louisville, Cincinnati, the Indiana Dunes, hikes in Southern Indiana, ect.
All of which are more urban, exciting, and interesting cities to visit.

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Not a racing person either, but I love the Indy 500. A lot of energy and a surprisingly international event. I would recommend it as a bucket list item.

Kansas City is also an amazing city. Very proud to be from KC.
Agreed, Kansas City is well rounded and punches above its weight.
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Old 03-17-2016, 07:01 AM
 
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You do understand that city limits have nothing much to do with daily life, except for in legal and administrative terms? You can't compare kicking field goals on different sized fields. They have to be standardized to compare. The city limits are largely arbitrary. Adjusting for land area or possibly urban area would be best, but most people are satisfied with metro region comparisons.

What does that have to do with tracking the crime rate of a city? For example Minneapolis and St. Paul are in the same metropolitan area yet their homicides and violent crimes are tracked separately.
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Old 03-17-2016, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Maine
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What does that have to do with tracking the crime rate of a city? For example Minneapolis and St. Paul are in the same metropolitan area yet their homicides and violent crimes are tracked separately.
Here's one example of how the boundaries of the city can skew numbers. KC's a mess. Indy on the other hand is a giant square.

https://goo.gl/maps/WT6cUiNRaz12
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Old 03-17-2016, 08:03 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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Lived in Kansas City and Indianapolis. I haven't been to Pittsburgh, so I can't comment, but it seems like an interesting city. Pittsburgh seems to have really nice cultural institutions and universities, mostly because of its place as an industrial power back in the day. The setting and skyline are beautiful too.

As for KC and Indy, I love them both. For the life of me, I don't understand why C-D gives Indianapolis such a hard time. I went to university there for a couple of years and had a good time. The downtown is really nice and vibrant; Monument Circle is an urban space most cities would kill to have. It has some nice intercity neighborhoods like Lockerbie, Fountain Square, the Old Northside as well as some decent suburbs. I had traveled to Myanmar before I moved to Indy, so I was pleasantry surprised to find an array of Burmese restaurants and volunteer opportunities in the city. You're close to Chicago, Louisville, Cincinnati, the Indiana Dunes, hikes in Southern Indiana, ect.

Not a racing person either, but I love the Indy 500. A lot of energy and a surprisingly international event. I would recommend it as a bucket list item.

Kansas City is also an amazing city. Very proud to be from KC.
Downtown Indy is nice, but the neighborhoods of the city generally aren't in great shape. Sure, some have gentrified (Irvington/Fountain Square), others are in the process, but there are a lot of boarded up houses and blight around the nicer areas.

I wouldn't consider Chicagoland and the Dunes close - it's a good 2.5 hours there. Depending on where you are in Indy, it's at least two hours to either Cincinnati or Louisville.

One thing Indy does have are great, new, and affordable suburbs. I think you'd be hard pressed to find the quality of suburbs you have around Indy at the price we have.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:04 PM
 
Location: CHICAGO, Illinois
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Compared to Kansas City and Pittsburgh, I wasn't impressed...Most of the streets were empty after 5 p.m. and I noticed quite a few boarded up/painted up uninhabited buildings. The skyline was also very lacking considering the size of the city.
Like I said, I can't comment on Pittsburgh, but every time I go back to KC to visit my family, I try and go downtown to see how things have changed. And though some progress has made, Kansas City is behind Indy in terms of vibrancy. Kansas City has great bones and feels bigger when I'm downtown, but it's dead. Indianapolis has put more effort into their downtown. Kansas City, on the other hand, has better neighborhood hangouts. I like Westport better than Broad Ripple, and there is nothing like the Plaza in Indy.

I've spent substantial time in both of these cities. 3 years in one, and over 20 years in the other. When I used to drive from the university to my apartment on the East side every week in Indy, I was always noticed how there were people on the streets downtown, eating at restaurants, going to some bars, or just chilling on the Circle.

I agree about the skyline. Indy is not bad (I love the view from the canal), but Kansas City has those gorgeous art deco buildings.
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Old 03-18-2016, 06:58 AM
 
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Here's one example of how the boundaries of the city can skew numbers. KC's a mess. Indy on the other hand is a giant square.

https://goo.gl/maps/WT6cUiNRaz12
I'm not understanding the logic. Whether you place 10 apples in a 10"x15 box or a 30"X45" box you are still going to end up with 10 apples.
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Old 03-18-2016, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Manchester
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I'm not understanding the logic. Whether you place 10 apples in a 10"x15 box or a 30"X45" box you are still going to end up with 10 apples.
Yes, but that is not the statistic. You need to add oranges to those 10 apples. The statistic is how many apples in that box compared to oranges in that box. When you have the bigger box you can fit a lot more oranges around those 10 apples, thus the apple to orange ratio is much smaller.
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