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Old 05-16-2016, 05:27 PM
 
Location: New York
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Originally Posted by l1995 View Post
Rate is all that matters.
If you were comparing cities with similar populations, if not then it's about as useful as raw numbers. Smaller cities will almost always appear more murderous than larger cities, even if they aren't, for a number of reasons.
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Old 05-16-2016, 10:25 PM
 
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All cities of 250,000 residents or more per 100k residents, from 1990 through 1995 (the most violent period in the nation's history)

1. Atlanta, GA 3874.1
2. Miami, FL 3832.4
3. Newark, NJ 3732.6
4. St. Louis, MO 3539.7
5. Tampa, FL 3323.1
6. Chicago, IL 2787.8
7. Baltimore, MD 2785.5
8. Washington DC 2664.7
9. Detroit, MI 2619.6
10. Kansas City, MO 2562.5
11. Los Angeles, CA 2309.6
12. Oakland, CA 2297.6 (from 1990-1994...no 1995 stats)
13. New Orleans, LA 2098.2
14. Charlotte-Mecklenburg, NC 2085.6
15. New York City, NY 2062.3
16. Boston, MA 2015.7
17. Dallas, TX 1990.5
18. Buffalo, NY 1896.6
19. Portland, OR 1852.3
20. Mobile, AL 1788.8
21. Minneapolis, MN 1774.7 (from 1991-1995...no 1990 stats)
22. Cleveland, OH 1688.4
23. Nashville, TN 1659.1
24. San Francisco, CA 1656.6
25. Long Beach, CA 1654.9
26. Jacksonville, FL 1638.3
27. Fort Worth, TX 1610.3
28. Memphis, TN 1572.4
29. Indianapolis, IN 1500.7
30. Aurora, CO 1472.8
31. Albuquerque, NM 1448.4
32. Stockton, CA 1446.6
33. Cincinnati, OH 1420.1
34. Fresno, CA 1417.1
35. Houston, TX 1416.4
36. Philadelphia, PA 1325.5
37. Seattle, WA 1290.7
38. Oklahoma City, OK 1287.1
39. Tulsa, OK 1278.1
40. Sacramento, CA 1199.1
41. Pittsburgh, PA 1170.1
42. San Diego, CA 1130.6
43. Phoenix, AZ 1095.8
44. Columbus, OH 1086.5
45. Tucson, AZ 1033.9
46. Santa Ana, CA 1012.7
47. Milwaukee, WI 1009.1
48. El Paso, TX 1006.1
49. Toledo, OH 998.3
50. Louisville, KY 992.2
51. Las Vegas, NV 991.5
52. St. Paul, MN 982.7
53. Denver, CO 976.9
54. Omaha, NE 974.7
55. Bakersfield, CA 922.7
56. Corpus Christi, TX 844.4
57. Raleigh, NC 852.6
58. Anchorage, AK 827.5
59. Wichita, KS 799.8
60. Arlington, TX 799.6
61. Glendale, AZ 783.9
62. Anaheim, CA 758.0
63. Mesa, AZ 717.8
64. San Jose, CA 686.4
65. San Antonio, TX 664.2
66. Austin, TX 655.9
67. Colorado Springs, CO 482.9
68. Plano, TX 361.1
69. Honolulu, HI 283.5
70. Virginia Beach, VA 262.4
71. Chandler, AZ 249.7
Newark was really rough back then. I remember being there a few times in the late 90s. It's gotten better now but it's pretty much on par with Oakland in the Bay Area. A relatively small city that still has more crime and a withstanding "bad area" stigma than the surrounding cities.
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Old 05-17-2016, 07:56 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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If you were comparing cities with similar populations, if not then it's about as useful as raw numbers. Smaller cities will almost always appear more murderous than larger cities, even if they aren't, for a number of reasons.
Precisely ! A city of 24,000 can have 5 murders for the year and the rate will be 21. Not much context there.
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Old 05-17-2016, 08:18 PM
 
Location: MPLS/CHI
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By the op's logic, Gary, Detroit, and Camden are all safer than NYC.
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Old 05-18-2016, 07:57 PM
 
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How so? Please go into details.
New York City - 8 million
New Orleans - 385k

If New York had twice the number of killings that New Orleans had, it doesn't mean that it's twice as worst when it has a population more than 20 times larger.

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Old 05-18-2016, 08:12 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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By the op's logic, Gary, Detroit, and Camden are all safer than NYC.
If you payed attention to the OP statements it's not about "most dangerous, etc" and just a historic view.
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Old 05-18-2016, 08:17 PM
 
Location: Tupelo, Ms
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New York City - 8 million
New Orleans - 385k

If New York had twice the number of killings that New Orleans had, it doesn't mean that it's twice as worst when it has a population more than 20 times larger.
The mere fact that NYC have twice or more means that it's more likely to happen in the "unsafe" areas.
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Old 05-18-2016, 10:46 PM
 
Location: MPLS/CHI
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Wow, NYC, LA, Chicago, Detroit and Philly are/were the largest cities and they dominate the list. What a surprise!
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Old 05-18-2016, 11:41 PM
 
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Based on the bits and pieces of crime data over time that can be found, the only major American city which may have possibly had an average homicide rate of over 40 per 100k from 1930-1980 was Atlanta.
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Old 05-19-2016, 06:49 AM
 
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When speaking of cities with over 250k people, yes rate is pretty much all that matters. Rates are only easily skewed in small cities.
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