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View Poll Results: Most agreeable ordering
#3 Chicago, #4 Washington DC-Baltimore, and #5 the San Francisco Bay Area 54 23.79%
#3 Washington DC-Baltimore, #4 Chicago, and #5 the San Francisco Bay Area 14 6.17%
#3 the San Francisco Bay Area, #4 Chicago, and #5 Washington DC-Baltimore 22 9.69%
#3 Chicago, # the San Francisco Bay Area, and #5 Washington DC-Baltimore 73 32.16%
#3 Washington DC-Baltimore, #4 the San Francisco Bay Area, and #5 Chicago 21 9.25%
#3 the San Francisco Bay Area, #4 Washington DC-Baltimore, and #5 Chicago 43 18.94%
Voters: 227. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 06-24-2016, 01:26 PM
 
Location: Toronto, Canada
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If you notice a line goes to trenton and west trenton. Btw, trenton is the county seat of mercer county. CSA's are obviously a flawed metric.
Nice map.
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Old 06-24-2016, 10:31 PM
 
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Been to all 3.

Prefer

1. Chicago (mini NYC)
2. San Francisco (the Bay Area has so much to offer)
3. DC/Bmore (never been a fan of this city and I've visited it a handful of times)
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Old 06-25-2016, 05:26 AM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Been to all 3.

Prefer

1. Chicago (mini NYC)
2. San Francisco (the Bay Area has so much to offer)
3. DC/Bmore (never been a fan of this city and I've visited it a handful of times)
Which city are you referring to not being a fan of? There are two cities listed.
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Old 06-25-2016, 05:37 AM
 
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Been to all 3.

Prefer

1. Chicago (mini NYC)
2. San Francisco (the Bay Area has so much to offer)
3. DC/Bmore (never been a fan of this city and I've visited it a handful of times)
You realize that DC and Baltimore are two separate cities right?
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Old 06-25-2016, 12:02 PM
 
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Combined Statistical Area (CSA) Head-to-Head Comparison: Greater Chicago CSA, the Greater San Francisco Bay Area, and the Greater Washington DC-Baltimore region

Population, 2015:
1. Chicago CSA: 9,923,358
2. Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 9,625,360
3. San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 8,713,914

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_statistical_area

Foreign Born Population, 2014:
1. San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 2,552,058
2. Chicago CSA: 1,699,847
3. Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 1,676,751

American FactFinder

Total Personal Income, 2014:
1. San Francisco Bay Area CSA: $567.285190 Billion
2. Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: $560.203590 Billion
3. Chicago CSA: $498.125906 Billion

http://www.bea.gov/iTable/iTable.cfm...7090=70&7031=7

Gross Domestic Product, 2014:
1. San Francisco Bay Area CSA: $711.188 Billion
2. Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: $670.106 Billion
3. Chicago CSA: $618.172 Billion

http://bea.gov/newsreleases/regional..._metro0915.pdf

Total Merchandise Export Value, 2014:
1. San Francisco Bay Area CSA: $48 Billion
2. Chicago CSA: $47.3 Billion
3. Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: $19.6 Billion

Trade.gov - Top 50 Metro Area Exporters

Global Destinations Index, Summer 2014- Summer 2015:
1. San Francisco: 3.39 million international tourists
2. Chicago: 2.35 million international tourists
3. Washington D.C.: 2.06 million international tourists

Global Destinations Index Visitors Spending, 2015:
1. San Francisco: $4.8 Billion
2. Chicago: $3.3 Billion
3. Washington D.C.: $2.9 Billion

http://newsroom.mastercard.com/wp-co...al-Report1.pdf

Top Foreign Investment Capitals of North America by Total Valuation, 2015
1. San Francisco Bay Area: $32,355,485,613
2. Chicago: $20,036,200,994
3. Washington D.C.: $18,515,548,212

http://www.cushmanwakefield.com/~/me...5-2016-PDF.pdf

Fortune 500, 2016:
1. Chicago CSA: 31
2. San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 30
3. Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 17

Fortune 500

Fortune 1000, 2015 (list needs updating):
1. Chicago CSA: 65
2. San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 58
3. Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 37

https://www.geolounge.com/fortune-10...ies-2014-list/

Population of Millionaires, 2015:
1. San Francisco Bay Area: 358,000
2. Chicago: 282,000
3. Washington D.C.: 236,100

https://www.worldwealthreport.com/uswr

Mathematics and Computer Occupation Employment, 2015:
1. San Francisco (Bay Area): 251,000
2. Washington D.C.: 185,200
3. Chicago: 141,700

These are the cities where tech workers live largest

Commercialized Airports (for passenger use):
1. Greater San Francisco Bay Area CSA: 5
2. Greater Chicago CSA: 4
3. Greater Washington DC-Baltimore CSA: 3

San Francisco Bay Area: 5 Commercial/Passenger Airports
1. San Francisco International Airport (SFO)
2. Mineta San Jose International Airport (SJC)
3. Oakland International Airport (OAK)
4. Charles M. Schulz - Sonoma County Airport (STS)
5. Stockton Metropolitan Airport (SCK)

Chicagoland: 4 Commercial/Passenger Airports
1. Chicago O'Hare International Airport (ORD)
2. Chicago Midway International Airport (MDW)
3. Gary/Chicago International Airport (GYY)
4. Chicago-Rockford International Airport (RFD)

Washington DC-Baltimore Metroplex: 3 Commercial/Passenger Airports
1. Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD)
2. Baltimore–Washington International Thurgood Marshall Airport (BWI)
3. Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA)

List of International Service Destinations, 2015 (list now needs updating):
1. Chicago: 64
2. Washington DC-Baltimore: 56
3. San Francisco Bay Area: 43

List of the Number of Service Continents (6 in total on Earth), 2015:
1. Chicago: 5
1. San Francisco Bay Area: 5
1. Washington DC-Baltimore: 5

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%...senger_traffic

Nanotechnology Concentration by CSA, 2009:
1. San Francisco Bay Area: 137 designated Nanotechnology firms
2. Washington DC-Baltimore: 53 designated Nanotechnology firms
3. Chicago: 42 designated Nanotechnology firms

http://www.nanotechproject.org/proce...ata_051809.pdf

Number of professional sports clubs in the Big 5 leagues:
1. Washington DC-Baltimore: 7
1. San Francisco Bay Area: 7
3. Chicago: 6

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._c..._league_sports

Bio-Technology Clusters by Funding Value, 2014:
1. San Francisco Bay Area: $1.411 Billion
2. Washington D.C.: $319.65 Million
3. Chicago: $40.5 Million

The top 15 cities for biotech venture funding | FierceBiotech

Number of Embassies, Consulates, and Diplomatic Missions, 2016:
1. Washington D.C.: 190
2. Chicago: 51
3. San Francisco Bay Area: 40

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._United_States

Video Game and Animations Development Industry, 2016:
1. San Francisco Bay Area: 240
2. Chicago: 37
3. Washington D.C.: 30

gamedevmap

Container Port Traffic in TEUs, 2015:
1. San Francisco Bay Area: 2,277,521
2. Chicago: Data not available
3. Washington DC-Baltimore: Data not available

http://aapa.files.cms-plus.com/Stati...%20revised.pdf

Number of Top 200 Colleges and Universities for Undergraduate Education, 2016:
1. Washington DC-Baltimore: 9
2. Chicago: 6
2. San Francisco Bay Area: 6

National University Rankings | Top National Universities | US News Best Colleges | page 18

Venture Capital Funding, 2016:
1. San Francisco Bay Area: $10.646 Billion
2. Washington DC-Baltimore: $835 Billion
3. Chicago: $688 Billion

The Global Cities Where Tech Venture Capital Is Concentrated - The Atlantic

Some other things where all three cities are in the Top 5 in the United States; Law (the legal industry), brand name recognition, media, entertainment, graduate schools, retail and hotel brand presence, infrastructure and transit, recognizable structures and/or iconic landmarks, cultural institutions and performing arts. I would post statistics on these things but really, no time to do it. Lets just say the three places are all extraordinary in what they have to offer and how they stack up to each other. Very comparable trio, along with Toronto, a very comparable set of 4 areas (Chicago/Toronto/San Francisco/Washington DC).

In my personal opinion, the best 4 to compare to each other in all of North America. The easiest too.

Feel free to add additional statistics or updated statistics if you have something even more recent.

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Old 06-27-2016, 11:40 AM
 
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What part of Baltimore doesn't want to be associated with DC didn't i convey to you? You speak as if know something contrary to what I see and hear from people in a metro that I live in. Furthermore, you're argument isn't making sense to the conversation that you and I are having. You're arguing that I'm saying, while using a poor example to argue against it, that if you don't like a place, you can say you don't live there. I'm TELLING you that I don't live in the DC region, I live in the Baltimore region just outside of the city. I don't even know why you thought that would be a logical argument to use, but it was poorly executed.
Yes, you're bitter about the DC part of the region for whatever weird reason, and don't want to be associated with it. That part was very clear to me, don't get how that's going over your head. What I'm saying is that it's a totally ridiculous logic to say they are not in the same region because of that, as that would mean Baltimore's very own suburbs can't be considered in the same region, as plenty of people in those parts don't want to be associated with Baltimore itself. That clear enough English for you this time as to why that's just nonsense reasoning?

I don't know why what region you want to be a part of and think you live in is at question here, I really couldn't care any less. And no, you don't represent the whole of Baltimore, to suggest otherwise is just silly. I have seen many from there not throw a hissy fit like you everytime DC's name seems to pop up as being in and part of the same general area, they didn't care about that at all.

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Old 06-27-2016, 06:10 PM
 
Location: BMORE!
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Yes, you're bitter about the DC part of the region for whatever weird reason, and don't want to be associated with it. That part was very clear to me, don't get how that's going over your head. What I'm saying is that it's a totally ridiculous logic to say they are not in the same region because of that, as that would mean Baltimore's very own suburbs can't be considered in the same region, as plenty of people in those parts don't want to be associated with Baltimore itself. That clear enough English for you this time as to why that's just nonsense reasoning?

I don't know why what region you want to be a part of and think you live in is at question here, I really couldn't care any less. And no, you don't represent the whole of Baltimore, to suggest otherwise is just silly. I have seen many from there not throw a hissy fit like you everytime DC's name seems to pop up as being in and part of the same general area, they didn't care about that at all.
I forgot all about this argument. Anyway, say whatever you want. I don't care to argue with someone who ignores facts. Cant have logical discussions with those types of people.
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Old 06-28-2016, 10:32 AM
 
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None of this is true. The population/growth center of Mercer is in North Mercer.

That's fine. We all have biases. Doesn't mean your biases line up with facts. The fact is that there's not one logical reason why Mercer would be part of the Philly MSA or CSA.
Except that kidphilly was the only one posting facts and has made his points clear and fair. Did you even look at the map he posted or the link?
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Old 06-28-2016, 10:38 AM
 
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Except that kidphilly was the only one posting facts and has made his points clear and fair. Did you even look at the map he posted or the link?
No, he posted no facts. And, no, I didn't go to any random posted links. Only one link matters- U.S. Census.

There's no point in arguing, as you're arguing against the Census, which has common standards for all. Those standards show that Mercer County is part of the NYC CSA, and it isn't even close.

If you think they're in some vast conspiracy to deny the Philly metro a tiny, declining county, then have at it, I guess.
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Old 06-28-2016, 11:00 AM
 
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No, he posted no facts. And, no, I didn't go to any random posted links. Only one link matters- U.S. Census.

There's no point in arguing, as you're arguing against the Census, which has common standards for all. Those standards show that Mercer County is part of the NYC CSA, and it isn't even close.

If you think they're in some vast conspiracy to deny the Philly metro a tiny, declining county, then have at it, I guess.
More strawman BS. Funny that you never prove your points by using census data; you just make broad claims with no source of facts and tell everyone else that only the census counts...

Regardless, the discussion was as follows:

1. You claimed that Mercer was never part of the Philadelphia CSA. It was part of the Philadelphia MSA until the 2000 census removed it from the Philly MSA. Are MSAs not included in CSAs?

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However, following the 2000 United States Census, Trenton was shifted from the Philadelphia metropolitan statistical area to the New York metropolitan statistical area. With a similar shift by the New Haven, Connecticut, area to the New York area, they were the first two cases where metropolitan statistical areas differed from their defined Nielsen television markets.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trenton,_New_Jersey

2. You then stated that population was more concentrated along the northern border of Mercer. Wrong again. The highest population centers and largest population exists along the southern border? Here, City Data has the map with CENSUS 2010: http://www.city-data.com/county/Mercer_County-NJ.html

No one said anything about conspiracies, so enough of that. And don't quote the census unless you find something under the census data that proves otherwise.
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