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But another thing about Miami that sets it apart from other sunbelt cities is that it has such small city limits.
Most other sunbelt cities take up an insane amount of land area (many are much larger than NYC) and are only considered "big cities" because of how they define their borders.
But then you go to these places and they don't feel like big cities at all since they are so sprawled out. Many "smaller" cities like SF and DC have more of a big city feel than places like Phoenix and Houston
They're considered big cities because they anchor metropolitan regions in the 5-7 million range.
Atlanta's core maybe bigger than Miami's, but it makes up a smaller percentage of the city, and I don't think Atlanta has a residential neighborhood as urban as Little Havana.
You're using city limit sizes that are arbitrary...why don't we compare Atlanta's older city limits of 36 square miles before the Buckhead/Southwest ATL annexation in the 1950s to Miami's 36 square miles? Atlanta in 1950 had a population of 331k people. Source: http://www.census.gov/population/www...0027/tab18.txt
This would seem like a more apples to apples comparison.
Atlanta was a bigger and more dense city in the pre-WWII era. Obviously since then, Miami has built a ton of highrises, but it's not like they're particular walkable...
EDIT: And I'm going through Google Maps right now....what is so impressive about Little Havana?
It's a matter of perspective. If you are from a small, rural town, Oklahoma City feels urban enough. If you've lived in a "real city", it doesn't cut it and doesn't even come close. I wouldn't say anywhere in OKC feels urban, period and it's the epitome of everything wrong with suburban America. Wal-Marts, strip malls, gas stations, and aging ranch subdivisions blanket the entire town. Any other metro area in the country over 500,000 in population is going to feel larger and offer more than OKC. Tulsa is the "city" in Oklahoma.
How do places like Youngstown, Augusta, Modesto, etc. feel larger and offer more than OKC?
You're using city limit sizes that are arbitrary...why don't we compare Atlanta's older city limits of 36 square miles before the Buckhead/Southwest ATL annexation in the 1950s to Miami's 36 square miles? Atlanta in 1950 had a population of 331k people. Source: http://www.census.gov/population/www...0027/tab18.txt
This would seem like a more apples to apples comparison.
Atlanta was a bigger and more dense city in the pre-WWII era. Obviously since then, Miami has built a ton of highrises, but it's not like they're particular walkable...
City limits aren't arbitrary. They are what they are. It's irrelevant that Atlanta USED to be more urban. It isn't now. It's a sprawlburg. And again, Atlanta doesn't have a full residential neighborhood with the urbanity of Little Havanah. Little Five Points is the closest thing.
City limits aren't arbitrary. They are what they are. It's irrelevant that Atlanta USED to be more urban. It isn't now. It's a sprawlburg. And again, Atlanta doesn't have a full residential neighborhood with the urbanity of Little Havanah. Little Five Points is the closest thing.
Where is the urbanity of little Havana? Can you show me an impressive Google maps images showing the impressive urbanity and walkability of Little Havana? I was expecting Miami Beach's level of walkability, but it's looks very unimpressive.
Where is the urbanity of little Havana? Can you show me an impressive Google maps images showing the impressive urbanity and walkability of Little Havana? I was expecting Miami Beach's level of walkability, but it's looks very unimpressive.
Go there and walk the streets. I speak from experience in both cities, not google street view. It's not impressive or scenic urbanity. It's more akin to Los Angeles urbanity.
City limits aren't arbitrary. They are what they are.
That's kind of the point LOL. But I'd say that they tend to be more arbitrary for cities that aren't geographically constrained like Atlanta; for Miami, its city limits make sense somewhat although it could have probably still been more expansive.
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Go there and walk the streets. I speak from experience in both cities, not google street view. It's not impressive or scenic urbanity. It's more akin to Los Angeles urbanity.
I'll have to disagree with you on Little Havana's "urbanity". Outside of special events like Calle Ocho, there's no spectacular pedestrian activity or street life to be had. It's mainly just an auto oriented strip mall on major thoroughfares, with houses set back from the street on the side streets. On paper, it's "dense", since there are large households, but there are more urban areas in the Miami metro, for sure.
I'll have to disagree with you on Little Havana's "urbanity". Outside of special events like Calle Ocho, there's no spectacular pedestrian activity or street life to be had. It's mainly just an auto oriented strip mall on major thoroughfares, with houses set back from the street on the side streets. On paper, it's "dense", since there are large households, but there are more urban areas in the Miami metro, for sure.
It's Sunbelt urbanity. Much closer to LA than NY. The point remains that Atlanta doesn't even have that level of urbanity in a primarily residential neighborhood.
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