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Being new and rising has little to do with when a city was founded. It's about when it got big.
Or to put it another way, look at the time periods in which most segments of the city were developed. American cities are naturally patchworks of different development periods and styles. LA and Seattle's main strips outside of downtown are vestiges of the horse-drawn omnibus lines and later streetcar lines. Higher density development follow these historic lines, with buildings tapering off in density as you move away from the main lines. While there are many detached single family houses in LA/Seattle, these residential areas were still developed far differently than modern-day single family house developments, which don't follow historic streetcar lines and function/look very different from each other.
I did not read this entire thread, but since when is Miami cheap? Liberty City or Overtown, maybe. Miami is more expensive than Chicago. I swear sometimes people post on here without knowing a damn thing about what they are saying.
For example San Diego was established in 1769 but didn't get more than 20,000 people until 1900 and didn't reach 200,000 until 1940. San Diego is older than Washington DC (1790), but that accounts for very little because SD was just a tiny town for the majority of its history, whereas DC was a bustling capital city from the beginning. D.C. reached 200,000 people back in 1890.
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For example San Diego was established in 1769 but didn't get more than 20,000 people until 1900 and didn't reach 200,000 until 1940. San Diego is older than Washington DC (1790), but that accounts for very little because SD was just a tiny town for the majority of its history, whereas DC was a bustling capital city from the beginning. D.C. reached 200,000 people back in 1890.
An interesting fact, San Diego was originally supposed to be the Big City in southern California, rather than Los Angeles. What stopped it from happening was railroad access. The only rail line out of San Diego went to Los Angeles, where Los Angeles had a hub and spoke of rail lines going several different places. The rest was history.....
For example San Diego was established in 1769 but didn't get more than 20,000 people until 1900 and didn't reach 200,000 until 1940. San Diego is older than Washington DC (1790), but that accounts for very little because SD was just a tiny town for the majority of its history, whereas DC was a bustling capital city from the beginning. D.C. reached 200,000 people back in 1890.
I totally understand all of this, I was more looking for mhays25's take.
I''m not buying the definition of 'Legacy City' as it's being applied here, it's much too broad.
San Diego is a perfect example. They have a nice Downtown that is only getting nicer, with great bones in the urban core - but they are continually dissed here for having a weak Downtown. To me, they are a 'Legacy City,' though.
I totally understand all of this, I was more looking for mhays25's take.
I''m not buying the definition of 'Legacy City' as it's being applied here, it's much too broad.
San Diego is a perfect example. They have a nice Downtown that is only getting nicer, with great bones in the urban core - but they are continually dissed here for having a weak Downtown. To me, they are a 'Legacy City,' though.
Again, the OP is misusing the term. Legacy city is basically a rebranding of rust belt. It means a city which had its heyday in late 19th/early 20th century and has since underwent a period of decline. The "Legacy" represents legacy institutions (museums, architecture, theater, etc) that you wouldn't expect a city of it's size to have, yet it retained due to the history of being a larger city in the past.
Again, the OP is misusing the term. Legacy city is basically a rebranding of rust belt. It means a city which had its heyday in late 19th/early 20th century and has since underwent a period of decline. The "Legacy" represents legacy institutions (museums, architecture, theater, etc) that you wouldn't expect a city of it's size to have, yet it retained due to the history of being a larger city in the past.
And what if a city recovered from said decline? For example Seattle started to lose a lot of people after 1960 and didn't regain the 1960 peak until 2000, 40 years later. It went from 557,087 in 1960 down to 493,846 in 1980 and back up to 563,374 in 2000.
And what if a city recovered from said decline? For example Seattle started to lose a lot of people after 1960 and didn't regain the 1960 peak until 2000, 40 years later. It went from 557,087 in 1960 down to 493,846 in 1980 and back up to 563,374 in 2000.
Then it's not a legacy city. Here's a 2013 study using the term. Seattle is specifically listed as a non-legacy city in the tables on page 8, along with San Francisco, Portland, and Boston.
Then it's not a legacy city. Here's a 2013 study using the term. Seattle is specifically listed as a non-legacy city in the tables on page 8, along with San Francisco, Portland, and Boston.
I dunno why this is so hard for people.
How do you get appointed to designate these cities? I want to do it!
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