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View Poll Results: Do Americans Prefer to live in Traditional Legacy Cities or New Rising Cities
Traditional Legacy (Expensive) City (New York, Chicago, Boston ) 97 58.43%
New Rising (Cheaper) City ( Houston Atlanta Miami) 69 41.57%
Voters: 166. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-12-2017, 07:54 PM
 
Location: South Beach and DT Raleigh
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Originally Posted by Western Urbanite View Post
This is way oversimplified.
I would divide it into four classes of cities.

Legacy, prosperous cities:
New York City
Chicago
San Francisco
Boston
Washington DC
Philadelphia
etc.

Legacy, decaying cities:
Cleveland
Baltimore
St Louis
New Orleans
etc

New, urban cities:
Los Angeles
Miami
San Francisco
Denver
Salt Lake City
Dallas
Houston
Atlanta
etc.

New, suburban cities:
Nashville
Charlotte
Austin
Raleigh
Phoenix
Las Vegas
etc
While I think that this is an improvement on the OP's binary categorization, I think that it's still too simplistic. I say this because there are people who are living very suburban lives around legacy cities and people who are living in the urban areas of metros that are overweighted with suburbia. Many "New, suburban cities" have old cores that date back as far as the 18th century.
I would think that there are people who might choose to live in a new suburban areas around old legacy cities and people who choose to live in the older cores of the more recent "suburban" boom towns.
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Old 03-12-2017, 08:42 PM
 
Location: Surprise, AZ
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Western Urbanite View Post
This is way oversimplified.
I would divide it into four classes of cities.

Legacy, prosperous cities:
New York City
Chicago
San Francisco
Boston
Washington DC
Philadelphia
etc.

Legacy, decaying cities:
Cleveland
Baltimore
St Louis
New Orleans
etc

New, urban cities:
Los Angeles
Miami
San Francisco
Denver
Salt Lake City
Dallas
Houston
Atlanta
etc.

New, suburban cities:
Nashville
Charlotte
Austin
Raleigh
Phoenix
Las Vegas
etc
Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta urban areas sprawl just as much, if not more than Phoenix and Las Vegas urban areas.
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Old 03-12-2017, 09:49 PM
 
Location: Downtown Los Angeles
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Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta urban areas sprawl just as much, if not more than Phoenix and Las Vegas urban areas.
True. I actually think I prefer the three tier system proposed earlier.

Oldest tier:
New York
Boston
Chicago
St. Louis
etc.

Middle tier:
Los Angles
Miami
Seattle
Denver
etc.

Newest tier:
Dallas
Houston
Phoenix
Las Vegas
etc.
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Old 03-12-2017, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Texas
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I don't understand separating Denver from the newest tier. By the 30s, Houston surpassed Denver and Denver wasn't far ahead of Dallas, which then surpassed it by the 50s. Miami grew behind both Houston and Dallas.

Seattle was surpassed by Houston before the 40s and Dallas in the 60s
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:38 AM
 
Location: TN/NC
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The big legacy cities are still where the jobs are.
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:53 AM
 
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These "rising" cities aren't cheap, lol. Houston, Atlanta, and ESPECIALLY Miami are not cheap places to live. Houston and Atlanta are about as expensive as Chicago. Miami may be slightly more.
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Old 03-13-2017, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Legacy city is not a term used to describe all older cities. It's a term used to describe older cities which went through a period of population/employment decline in the mid to late 20th century that they have yet to recover from. Basically it includes the entire rust belt, but is more expansive than that, also including some cities in the south (e.g. Birmingham, New Orleans) and Northeast (e.g Providence, Newark, Scranton).

Source website for the term.
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Old 03-13-2017, 09:13 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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These "rising" cities aren't cheap, lol. Houston, Atlanta, and ESPECIALLY Miami are not cheap places to live. Houston and Atlanta are about as expensive as Chicago. Miami may be slightly more.
Nor is Denver cheap, by any definition of the word.
Average metro Denver home price jumps 10% in 2016; sales volume hits record – The Denver Post
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Old 03-13-2017, 09:27 AM
 
Location: Live:Downtown Phoenix, AZ/Work:Greater Los Angeles, CA
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Originally Posted by Western Urbanite View Post
This is way oversimplified.
I would divide it into four classes of cities.

Legacy, prosperous cities:
New York City
Chicago
San Francisco
Boston
Washington DC
Philadelphia
etc.

Legacy, decaying cities:
Cleveland
Baltimore
St Louis
New Orleans
etc

New, urban cities:
Los Angeles
Miami
San Francisco
Denver
Salt Lake City
Dallas
Houston
Atlanta
etc.

New, suburban cities:
Nashville
Charlotte
Austin
Raleigh
Phoenix
Las Vegas
etc
San Francisco is a legacy city, it was always "the city" in California until about the 80's when Los Angeles took off and became more urban
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Old 03-13-2017, 09:36 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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I think cities can be divided into essentially three groups.

Mature cities are cities which have fixed municipal boundaries and which experience negative domestic migration. However, the total population continues to grow because of both natural population growth as well as international immigration. In some cases they have been transformed heavily by gentrification, but almost always the level of young professionals moving in is less than the outflow of domestic migrants outwards.

Legacy cities have fixed borders and negative domestic migration, but they are also either stagnant or declining in terms of population. This is due to a combination of relatively little immigration (virtually every legacy city has relatively small Latino and Asian populations) along with lower levels of gentrification. Legacy cities, if they economically revitalize enough, can become mature cities (see DC).

Sunbelt cities have mostly open borders - either undeveloped land within city limits waiting for new subdivisions, or the ability to annex new land for development. As a result, they can continue to see pretty strong growth just from suburban growth. Over time, sunbelt cities can turn into mature cities if their borders are essentially closed off by incorporated suburbs (this happened to Miami and Atlanta).
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