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Is that number correct? The link doesn't work for me. It seems way too high and Baton Rouge would make Detroit and Chicago look like they're located in Canada.
I can’t speak for Minneapolis (you here, Ben Around?), but at least in the case of Pittsburgh our homicides (sans last year’s mass shooting at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Squirrel Hill) are largely confined between young African-American male assailants and victims in just a few neighborhoods. The vast majority of Pittsburghers live their lives unaffected by the violence that befalls those who choose to live and die by the sword instead of just going out and getting jobs.
Is that number correct? The link doesn't work for me. It seems way too high and Baton Rouge would make Detroit and Chicago look like they're located in Canada.
The link works for me just fine. I looked again - filter working fine that filters out all the attempted murders. Yes, it's this high. However, it's not clear whether this is East Baton Rouge Parish or Baton Rouge. In the data, it says each of the homicides occurred in the city of Baton Rouge. Even if it's actually East Baton Rouge Parish, that's still a rate of 11.85 per 100K which would be 3rd highest of any city so far this year (though Jackson probably is higher by now so realistically 4th highest).
And please, you keep bringing up Chicago about this - the city that for over a decade with the exception of 2016 and 2017 - had a lower homicide rate usually than Philadelphia, Miami, Atlanta, etc. But okay.. Detroit's homicide rate is usually double that of Chicago's. If you're going to bring up cities with high rates, then bring up St. Louis, Baltimore, New Orleans, etc - the cities with by far the highest rates. Chicago currently in this list is 26th highest with a lower rate than the likes of cities like Washington DC, Philadelphia, Oakland, Atlanta, Anchorage, Jacksonville, Charlotte, etc and almost the same rate as Houston.
There was a sizable uptick in the last few weeks in Chicago, but still well below what 2016 and 2017 were, and sizably below last year.
Minneapolis has gotten safer, but it was not that safe for a long time. My sister went to college in Minneapolis in the early 2000s (lived in a not so good neighborhood) and everyone called it "murder-a-polis" back then. At least her and all of her classmates did.
Not super dangerous but some of these years I remember the homicide rate was over 10 per 100K - I think in the mid to late 90s it was more like 15 per 100K (like what Philadelphia and Chicago have averaged for the last decade).
Via the FBI UCR, here are the homicide rates of Minneapolis historically for the last while:
2000: 13.73 per 100K
2001: 11.12 per 100K
2002: 12.04 per 100K
2003: 12.15 per 100K
2004: 14.09 per 100K
2005: 12.49 per 100K
2006: 15.19 per 100K
2007: 12.66 per 100K
2008: 9.82 per 100K
2009: 4.70 per 100K
2010: 9.59 per 100K
2011: 8.30 per 100K
2012: 9.99 per 100K
2013: 9.09 per 100K
2014: 7.66 per 100K
2015: 11.37 per 100K
2016: 8.39 per 100K
2017: 10.02 per 100K
2018: 7.88 per 100K (unofficial)
Here is Pittsburgh:
2000: 20.52 per 100K
2001: 16.11 per 100K
2002: 13.72 per 100K
2003: 19.98 per 100K
2004: 13.76 per 100K
2005: 19.05 per 100K
2006: 17.25 per 100K
2007: 16.66 per 100K
2008: 23.24 per 100K
2009: 12.49 per 100K
2010: 17.59 per 100K
2011: 14.26 per 100K
2012: 13.14 per 100K
2013: 14.63 per 100K
2014: 22.43 per 100K
2015: 18.57 per 100K
2016: 18.85 per 100K
2017: 17.98 per 100K
2018: 17.98 per 100K (unofficial - would have been 14.38 per 100K without the Synagogue shooting)
And for reference, here is Chicago:
2000: 21.91 per 100K
2001: 22.88 per 100K
2002: 22.05 per 100K
2003: 20.63 per 100K
2004: 15.54 per 100K
2005: 15.59 per 100K
2006: 16.38 per 100K
2007: 15.68 per 100K
2008: 18.03 per 100K
2009: 16.08 per 100K
2010: 15.25 per 100K
2011: 15.94 per 100K
2012: 18.46 per 100K
2013: 15.22 per 100K
2014: 15.09 per 100K
2015: 17.52 per 100K
2016: 28.07 per 100K
2017: 24.13 per 100K
2018: 20.73 per 100K (unofficial)
Between 2007 and 2015, Pittsburgh had 5 years that were higher homicide rate than Chicago. The ones that weren't had rates that weren't that much lower than Chicago. Minnneapolis has had 10 years with a rate of over 10 per 100K between 2000 and 2018, though only 2 of those have come in the last decade, so it's obviously improved. However, I think what it's been averaging wouldn't be considered totally safe - more moderate - this is still higher than LA on average.
L. A is leaning toward 5/100k... Pittsburg is far from it
I go more with total numbers than rate per 100k. Minneapolis usually has murder counts in the 30’s. That’s not even close to one a week. Like 3 a month. That’s a lot of quite nights in that city
I go more with total numbers than rate per 100k. Minneapolis usually has murder counts in the 30’s. That’s not even close to one a week. Like 3 a month. That’s a lot of quite nights in that city
What sense does this make? Rate per 100K is much more logical when comparing across disparate sizes. Mpls is not a very populated city within its municipal boundaries, all things considered. Further, you could have the same number of homicides in, say, Duluth and argue “well that’s still a lot of quiet nights in the city” but the homicide rate would then place Duluth in one the highest echelons within the U.S.! A qualification based on population matters...
What sense does this make? Rate per 100K is much more logical when comparing across disparate sizes. Mpls is not a very populated city within its municipal boundaries, all things considered. Further, you could have the same number of homicides in, say, Duluth and argue “well that’s still a lot of quiet nights in the city” but the homicide rate would then place Duluth in one the highest echelons within the U.S.! A qualification based on population matters...
Yes - they both count for something, but comparing multiple things that are not liked size is where ratios and percentages come into play. This is just basic math and common sense with that. Not sure how that's lost - with homicides both things count, but you cannot truly compare from place to place without some sort of normalized measure which is what a percentage and ratio does. 10 Homicides in a city like Los Angeles (~4 million people) and 10 homicides in a city of 100,000 have completely different implications even though they have the same number.
Yes - they both count for something, but comparing multiple things that are not liked size is where ratios and percentages come into play. This is just basic math and common sense with that. Not sure how that's lost - with homicides both things count, but you cannot truly compare from place to place without some sort of normalized measure which is what a percentage and ratio does. 10 Homicides in a city like Los Angeles (~4 million people) and 10 homicides in a city of 100,000 have completely different implications even though they have the same number.
The Minneapolis region is usually in the top 3 for lowest crime (Boston and San Diego are the two others). Minneapolis city just happens to include the majority of higher crime neighborhoods. If the city of Minneapolis boundaries (57 sq miles) were expanded to say, 325 sq miles like the City of San Diego, the resulting population increase and dilution of crime would make it one of the safest cities in the country.
Jurisdictional boundaries are arbitrary. Concern over crime should be at the neighborhood level.
The Minneapolis region is usually in the top 3 for lowest crime (Boston and San Diego are the two others). Minneapolis city just happens to include the majority of higher crime neighborhoods. If the city of Minneapolis boundaries (57 sq miles) were expanded to say, 325 sq miles like the City of San Diego, the resulting population increase and dilution of crime would make it one of the safest cities in the country.
Jurisdictional boundaries are arbitrary. Concern over crime should be at the neighborhood level.
The first part of what you say is true for most places - and the bolded part is absolutely true, but the reality for pretty much every city. Majority of the violent, bad crime occurs in a truly smaller percentage of the entire city.
You’re right. It’s rough finding a job when the unemployment rate is ~3%. Better off dealing drugs.
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