Cincinnati vs. St. Louis (cost, compared, market, restaurant)
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please do not make false assertions that cincinnati somehow enjoyed higher densities than st. louis. in 1950, both cities peaked in population; st. louis with 857,000, cincinnati with 504,000. at the same time, st. louis had over 14,000 people per square mile, while cincinnati had 6,340 people per square mile. i think you meant to say that st. louis reached a density that cincinnati never did, not the other way around.
thank you, professor. this really doesn't make any sense whatsoever, but if it makes you feel better, then fine. the fact remains that cincinnati trails with respect to transit by virtue of being one of only a handful of major cities in the country with no rail whatsoever. any urban enthusiast would agree. i am glad that it appears to finally be getting at least a streetcar.
not sure where you draw your predictions, but if the past 10 years are any indicator, you are wrong. cincinnati lost 10.4% of its population over the past decade; st. louis lost 8%. so even if cincinnati is "doing a much better job of trying to draw people back to the core" than st. louis, it's not working. trying and succeeding are two different things. meanwhile, st. louis experienced the highest increase in the united states in the number of educated young people living within 3 miles of downtown over the same period, so dismissing st. louis's efforts as worthless or ineffective again ignores facts. by outward appearances, it seems as though cincinnati could take some hints from st. louis.
call me defensive if you want to, but i'm not really responding any differently than you are. this is a city vs. city thread and you have taken one side while i have taken the other. nothing wrong with a disagreement.
i have been to cincinnati many, many times. it's actually one of my favorite places to stop between philadelphia and st. louis, a drive i have made countless times. my college (undergrad) roommate was from montgomery, oh and we went to visit his family a number of times. i like cincinnati, i really do. but if we're comparing these two cities, i will share my honest perceptions.
Last edited by JMT; 05-24-2011 at 01:50 PM..
Reason: Removed the vulgarity.
Say what? Cincinnati is a city that has a history with paddlewheelers on the Ohio river, yet there is no downtown municipal marina to dock a boat.
You may want to check with the Army Corps of Engineers before criticizing what is or is not on the Cincinnati riverfront. Because of bends in the river and the flood zone, there are some things that can be placed on the Kentucky riverfront directly across from downtown Cincinnati, but cannot be situated on the north shore.
Have you been to St. Louis besides that one time you stayed downtown? If so, did you explore the many different city neighborhoods? That is the best part about St. Louis.
I would think the Kentucky side of the Ohio river would flood just as much as the Ohio side.
It's not quite that easy. The Army Corps of Engineers has to take into account depths, curves and bends in the river, all which impact river traffic and everything from tourist-friendly paddlewheel riverboats to half-mile-long barges loaded with tons and tons of rock, coal and other things.
Topography and land elevation also impacts what areas are more flood-prone than others.
Have you been to St. Louis besides that one time you stayed downtown? If so, did you explore the many different city neighborhoods? That is the best part about St. Louis.
I always stay downtown, does staying downtown suggest someone never left the hotel?
Soulard and Central West End stood out. Not a fan of the redevelopment on the Northside, lacks character.
It's not quite that easy. The Army Corps of Engineers has to take into account depths, curves and bends in the river, all which impact river traffic and everything from tourist-friendly paddlewheel riverboats to half-mile-long barges loaded with tons and tons of rock, coal and other things.
Topography and land elevation also impacts what areas are more flood-prone than others.
Just curious how Pittsburgh, Louisville, St. Louis, Memphis, etc get by.
cincinnati: smaller, more conservative, only bus transit, borders kentucky
st. louis: larger, more liberal, bus and rail transit, borders illinois
st. louis.
smtchll-- st. louis was the only jurisdiction in the state to vote against a constitutional ban on gay marriage. st. louis city is both democrat and liberal. it was the first city in the midwest to have a domestic partnership registry for same-sex couples, years before even chicago. it happens to be trapped in a conservative state, but the city itself is the only reason missouri didn't officially secede from the union during the civil war. there is a long history of very liberal sentiment in st. louis. cincinnati is almost exactly the opposite.
Well lets look at some facts,,Cincinnati's transit actually border 8 counties of 3 states being Ohio,Kentucky and Indiana, and as far as size,,well,,Cincinnati has 79.6 square miles where St Louis has 66.2 square miles,,that makes Cincinnati slightly larger.
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