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When i first moved to Ohio from Philly, we were driving around Cincy and i swore i was in Baltimore. Cincy is a interesting city, its part Southern, Midwestern,and Northeastern all in one
Well, let's look at it this way.... St. Louis has the Arch, which is about the only thing that I've seen that really differentiates downtown St. Louis from Cincinnati, otherwise they look very, very similar, almost could be twin cities. However, the best view of the arch is across the river in E. St. Louis, Ill., not exactly a place I would go to just to look at the arch, or for that matter, the St. Louis skyline in generall or the boats and barges on the river. Immediately across the river from Cincinnati is Covington and Newport, which admittedly have a few shady areas, but the area around Newport on the Levee and the Aquarium is A-1 fantastic and lots to do and see there, can't say the same for across the river from St. Louis. Cincinnati hands down to me is the best, but to each his own.
Yeah, right...I "picked" 3 houses out of the thousands that were available. It didn't take very long to "find" those 3 houses.
I don't think you know your city very well if you can't admit reality. Check out this site: Built St. Louis: Home
Of course the city isn't ALL run down...but large portions of it are falling in. I voted for St. Louis and I'm a big fan of the city, but I also understand reality.
I live in the exurbs south of St. Louis in Jefferson County and I have taken, for the last couple of years, an interest in exploring the wonderful and historic city of St. Louis. The city is amazing. The pictures you showed are not indicative at all of the city. You can go to a club downtown, get coffee, go to an ivy league university, and do many other things in the city without ever seeing an abandoned building. (This is miles upon miles of travel through the compact and historic city.) It's true that the North Side could be considered to be "falling in" as you say, but to most people in the city that is a no-go zone. For better or worse, most residents of the city don't even go to that part of it and continue with their vibrant and cosmopolitan life south of Washington Avenue.
The bridge over the Mississippi is not out, and never was. Hwy 40 is finished as well. Both cities are not moderate. St. Louis is one of the most liberal cities in the Midwest, if not the country. You also said neither park system is significant. Forest Park is larger than Central Park in NYC and contains an internationally respected, free zoo. Just thought I'd let you know the errors in your comparison.
The bridge over the Mississippi is not out, and never was. Hwy 40 is finished as well. Both cities are not moderate. St. Louis is one of the most liberal cities in the Midwest, if not the country. You also said neither park system is significant. Forest Park is larger than Central Park in NYC and contains an internationally respected, free zoo. Just thought I'd let you know the errors in your comparison.
Yes, STL city was the only county in MO to vote against the ban, but 53% doesn't scream "socially liberal" and STL county screams just the opposite. Of course, that was 7 years ago, views definitely have changed, but I'd still say the metro area is socially moderate overall with a right lean.
I know this isn't the only issue that defines socially liberal vs socially conservative, but it does give a lot of insight into the ideological climate of a place. I always see some STL posters trying to paint Cincinnati as some backwoods, non-progressive place, but the results come out similar for both cities on this particular issue.
Yes, STL city was the only county in MO to vote against the ban, but 53% doesn't scream "socially liberal" and STL county screams just the opposite. Of course, that was 7 years ago, views definitely have changed, but I'd still say the metro area is socially moderate overall with a right lean.
I know this isn't the only issue that defines socially liberal vs socially conservative, but it does give a lot of insight into the ideological climate of a place. I always see some STL posters trying to paint Cincinnati as some backwoods, non-progressive place, but the results come out similar for both cities on this particular issue.
It is important to point out that the vote was done 8 years ago when numbers were more supportive of the ban then. Also if I remember at about that time support was bumped a bit higher for some reason at that time, since at other times it has been a steady decline. It would be interesting to see views today on that and other social issues. My guess is both cities will be a bit more conservative than say Great Lakes Midwest cities.
cincinnati: smaller, more conservative, only bus transit, borders kentucky
st. louis: larger, more liberal, bus and rail transit, borders illinois
st. louis.
smtchll-- st. louis was the only jurisdiction in the state to vote against a constitutional ban on gay marriage. st. louis city is both democrat and liberal. it was the first city in the midwest to have a domestic partnership registry for same-sex couples, years before even chicago. it happens to be trapped in a conservative state, but the city itself is the only reason missouri didn't officially secede from the union during the civil war. there is a long history of very liberal sentiment in st. louis. cincinnati is almost exactly the opposite.
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