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Old 10-15-2009, 04:33 PM
 
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And in SW Florida if you can speak Creole, you can are in high demand for the school system. Bilingual Spanish are a dime a dozen.
What does that have to do with the discussion? I swear, with some people you can be talking about one thing and they will invitably respond with something completely off the wall.

Okay, so Creole is in demand in whatever school system you're talking about (I assume there isn't a "South Florida" school system!). Are you saying that there are more Creoles living in South Florida than Hispanics? I hope you aren't!
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Old 10-15-2009, 04:36 PM
 
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Dang it I wish I could rep ya!
Thanks...at least some of us make sense on here!
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Old 10-15-2009, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Arkansas
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I think it's interesting to note all the famous traditionally viewed Southern personalities from states being debated on this thread.

Robert E. Lee, Virginia
Mark Twain, Missouri
Jesse James, Missouri
John Wilkes Booth, Maryland (Probably the best argument towards a Southern influence in Maryland)
Stonewall Jackson, what is now West Virginia
Heck, Confederate General John C. Pemberton (Who unsuccessfully defended Vicksburg) was born and raised in none other than Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:27 PM
 
Location: Kentucky
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I think it's interesting to note all the famous traditionally viewed Southern personalities from states being debated on this thread.

Robert E. Lee, Virginia
Mark Twain, Missouri
Jesse James, Missouri
John Wilkes Booth, Maryland (Probably the best argument towards a Southern influence in Maryland)
Stonewall Jackson, what is now West Virginia
Heck, Confederate General John C. Pemberton (Who unsuccessfully defended Vicksburg) was born and raised in none other than Lancaster, Pennsylvania.
How can you forget Jefferson Davis... Kentucky
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Old 10-15-2009, 08:28 PM
 
Location: Kentucky
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Thanks...at least some of us make sense on here!
Thank you
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Old 10-16-2009, 03:11 PM
 
Location: moving again
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Yeah, I agree. By "historically" I mean that it was officially below the Mason Dixon line at the time of the Civil War. But even during that time, most of central/northern Maryland was culturally more similar to central Pennsylvania. Meaning, the rural areas consisted primarily of small, self-sufficient, family farms, and the main urban areas (such as Baltimore) were industrializing and attracting European immigrants. I think the Eastern Shore and southern Maryland were more culturally linked to Virginia, with their system of small plantations and tobacco planters. Those areas, along with Virginia, had also become the center of a very lucrative "domestic slave-trade." That was the system in which the surplus "slaves" in the Chesapeake region--whose labor was no longer in high demand on declining tobacco plantations--were being sold for high profit to the rapidly expanding "Cotton" plantations down in the deep South. So, their wealth was tied up in their "enslaved property," and any threat to that system threatened their livelihood.

So culturally, Maryland was split in half. The allegiance and sympathy of those on the Eastern Shore and southern MD was more on the side of the Confederates; those living in northern and central Maryland were more with the Union culturally and politically. That's why Lincoln had to lock Maryland down so things wouldn't get out of hand.
This is an extremely good, and accurate from many, if not most, native Marylanders viewpoint
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