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The Atlanta Flat Iron was the original and there's nothing like an original.
Gets my vote.
Same here. It isn't the size that makes it "better" it is the originality and design concept that makes it the more significant building. Just like anything, you don't start out with the biggest or grandest; you have to prove the concept first, then let it grow and expand. Without the Atlanta flatiron, there wouldn't BE the bigger, grander NYC flatiron.
"flatiron" buidlings are made when an intersection is at a strange angle. The concept of the shape comes from the physical space they have to build upon. Therefor i doubt New York's Wouldn't be built if it werent for Atlanta
And i don't just like NY's more for its height, but its design is much more detailed and grand
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No, the first steel framed building (aka skyscraper) was Chicago's Home Insurance Building in 1884.
Actually, i was talking about the first FULL steel skyscraper skeleton
The Home insurance building "was the first building to use structural steel in its frame, but the majority of its structure was composed of cast and wrought iron"
Same here. It isn't the size that makes it "better" it is the originality and design concept that makes it the more significant building. Just like anything, you don't start out with the biggest or grandest; you have to prove the concept first, then let it grow and expand. Without the Atlanta flatiron, there wouldn't BE the bigger, grander NYC flatiron.
Yeah, thats why the stone wheel that the caveman invented is better than the rubber tires we use today......because it is orginial!
Joking aside, I am sorry Bydand, I do not agree with your argument here. As much as I am into history, I do not believe that the oldest or orginial of anything is necessarily better. It would mean that the oldest of buildings, the oldest cities, the oldest movies etc. are always better and newer ones will never be as good. I simply don't believe that.
I think each building has to stand on its own merits. To me the greater quality* (or as you put it the "grander" building) of the Flatiron building at 23rd street (23 skidoo!), Fifth Avenue and Broadway is far more important than a 5 year difference in age.
What is greater about the quality of the NYC Flatiron? Several posters have mentioned this, along with the ornate workmanship. Both buildings are quality buildings or they wouldn't be standing over 100 years later; both buildings are very ornate....one is simply taller, and one is simply a few years older.
What is greater about the quality of the NYC Flatiron? Several posters have mentioned this, along with the ornate workmanship. Both buildings are quality buildings or they wouldn't be standing over 100 years later; both buildings are very ornate....one is simply taller, and one is simply a few years older.
Sorry Deacon, cannot help you there. You have to go online and look at pictures of both the buildings yourself to compare them. If I was able to post pictures of the NY one on this computer I would.
Why not go to your post #46 where you posted some good pictures of the Atlanta building and then look up "Flatiron Buidling". The Wickapedia site actually has a mumber of good links which shows closeups of the New York building. If after looking, you still believe the Atlanta one is better, come back and say so and I will believe you.
Thats why btw, I did not answer your post (post #39) when you questioned me. Not trying to be rude and ignore you, I was not just talking about the height of the buildings.
"flatiron" buidlings are made when an intersection is at a strange angle. The concept of the shape comes from the physical space they have to build upon. Therefor i doubt New York's Wouldn't be built if it werent for Atlanta
And i don't just like NY's more for its height, but its design is much more detailed and grand
Actually, i was talking about the first FULL steel skyscraper skeleton
The Home insurance building "was the first building to use structural steel in its frame, but the majority of its structure was composed of cast and wrought iron"
That's not true. The NY version was definitely influenced after Atlanta's, and both buildings were designed by two men who were colleagues of one another.
Sure, NY might have built its own flatiron-ish building, but it's safe to say that THE Flatiron building originally belonged to Atlanta first.
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I honestly don't believe that NYC's flatiron building was modeled after Atlanta's, they look too different, Atlanta's was first but that doesn't mean that all others dating after it were copies.
If that was the case I guess this flatiron building near where I live was modeled after Atlanta's as well .
I honestly don't believe that NYC's flatiron building was modeled after Atlanta's, they look too different, Atlanta's was first but that doesn't mean that all others dating after it were copies.
If that was the case I guess this flatiron building near where I live was modeled after Atlanta's as well .
I mean, evidently there's a difference in height and materials, but the image is way too similar. So no offense, but it's a little naive to assume that one was built with ABSOLUTELY NO influence from the other.
Daniel Burnham designed New York's, and Bradford Gilbert designed Atlanta's. Both men were contemporaries of the Chicago school of architecture.
I mean, evidently there's a difference in height and materials, but the image is way too similar. So no offense, but it's a little naive to assume that one was built with ABSOLUTELY NO influence from the other.
Daniel Burnham designed New York's, and Bradford Gilbert designed Atlanta's. Both men were contemporaries of the Chicago school of architecture.
It may have drew influence from Atlanta's but I wouldn't say it was modeled after Atlanta's, I wouldn't say there's zero influence but I just don't see "oooh we want one too" and just straight copied it.
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