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Location: northern Vermont - previously NM, WA, & MA
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Originally Posted by krudmonk
San Jose is not analogous to Bellevue at all. Are you kidding? Not only is it older than San Francisco (and Bellevue by nearly a century) but it's 50 miles away, not across a lake.
San Jose may have history but 95% of it is post 1950's suburban sprawl unbroken by 101 and 280 to SF and would never have existed if not spawned by SF. So is Bellevue (albeit less of a distance), and so is Aurora. San Jose is trying to be a real city and just now catching up. SF is the nucleus of the entire region. Across the bay Oakland is a real city. SJ is a mega surburb. So the irony is who are you kidding?
Last edited by Champ le monstre du lac; 04-03-2010 at 10:53 AM..
Minneapolis and St. Paul on this one, but I'm biased.
Minneapolis: 56 sq miles St. Paul: 52 sq miles
Minneapolis: 380,000 pop St. Paul: 290,000 pop
Both border each other. Both have downtowns situated on the Mississippi River.
Both have an I94 and I35 going through downtown.
If you were'nt a lifelong resident, you'd think it was just one 108 sq mile, 670,000 pop. city.
In actuality, socially speaking, the two cities couldnt be more different. Minneapolis is cosmopolitan, St. Paul is more historic. Minneapolis is more 'white collar' St Paul is blue collar. Minneapolis was settled for Grain and flour mills, St. Paul as a Fort. Minneapolis is mainly protestant, St. Paul is Catholic. Minneapolis was settled by more Germans and Polish and St. Paul was settled by Irish. Minneapolis is more Somali culture and St. Paul is Hmong culuture.
That's why all of our sports teams are 'Minnesota' not 'Twin Cities' or 'Minneapolis Twins or Vikings' because it created tension between the two cities.
Had they Called the Wild the St. Paul Wild, the Franchises of Vikings and Twins would probably be called the Minneapolis _____s.
Dallas/FT is the only other Twin Cities I think of. Maybe Tampa
San Jose may have history but 95% of it is post 1950's suburban sprawl unbroken by 101 and 280 to SF and would never have existed if not spawned by SF. So is Bellevue (albeit less of a distance), and so is Aurora. San Jose is trying to be a real city and just now catching up. SF is the nucleus of the entire region. Across the bay Oakland is a real city. SJ is a mega surburb. So the irony is who are you kidding?
If San Francisco was integral in spawning another city, why not Daly City? That's right next door. Why aren't the same industries prevalent in San Francisco as in San Jose? There's a reason the census bureau considers them to be separate metro areas.
You spouted off without knowing a thing and now you're trying to rationalize your bull****. Just bow out now.
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If San Francisco was integral in spawning another city, why not Daly City? That's right next door. Why aren't the same industries prevalent in San Francisco as in San Jose? There's a reason the census bureau considers them to be separate metro areas.
You spouted off without knowing a thing and now you're trying to rationalize your bull****. Just bow out now.
Your funny because you are not even making a point. The thread topic is twin cities in which Oakland is more qualified even though the OP said San Jose to SF. So what's Daly City got to do with anything? So why arn't the same industries in Redmond, WA prevalent in Seattle? What's your point? I've been all over the bay area. So I was saying SJ and the Silicon Valley was indeed spawned off as a mega suburb of SF. Sorry you can't handle the answer but maybe you could rationalize your own missing point, so I'm not going anywhere.
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So you are saying that tons of SJ residents would commute an hour to SF in the 50s? Do you have stats to show this?
I said post 1950's suburbs, and Cal Train is a commuter rail between SF and SJ and BART wants to expand to SJ (imagine that - SJ in the Bay area) I see southern Marin County down to Gilroy and over just past Richmond and Walnut Creek as in the Bay Area. Sure East Bay, Silicon Valley, and just over the Golden Gate have their own dynamic, but it all started in San Francisco. Next came Oakland, and it grew out from there.
Of course we can agree to disagree as I'm sure everyone else might want to focus elsewhere. The true twin cities are really Minneapolis and St. Paul, and others such as DFW and Tampa Bay for comparisons.
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Location: Austin, TX/Chicago, IL/Houston, TX/Washington, DC
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Minneapolis and St. Paul on this one, but I'm biased.
Minneapolis: 56 sq miles St. Paul: 52 sq miles
Minneapolis: 380,000 pop St. Paul: 290,000 pop
Both border each other. Both have downtowns situated on the Mississippi River.
Both have an I94 and I35 going through downtown.
If you were'nt a lifelong resident, you'd think it was just one 108 sq mile, 670,000 pop. city.
In actuality, socially speaking, the two cities couldnt be more different. Minneapolis is cosmopolitan, St. Paul is more historic. Minneapolis is more 'white collar' St Paul is blue collar. Minneapolis was settled for Grain and flour mills, St. Paul as a Fort. Minneapolis is mainly protestant, St. Paul is Catholic. Minneapolis was settled by more Germans and Polish and St. Paul was settled by Irish. Minneapolis is more Somali culture and St. Paul is Hmong culuture.
That's why all of our sports teams are 'Minnesota' not 'Twin Cities' or 'Minneapolis Twins or Vikings' because it created tension between the two cities.
Had they Called the Wild the St. Paul Wild, the Franchises of Vikings and Twins would probably be called the Minneapolis _____s.
Dallas/FT is the only other Twin Cities I think of. Maybe Tampa
Minneapolis is the economic center, St. Paul is the political center.
They're like opposites, and they go great when they work together.
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