Why Do Most Clevelanders Love to Highlight the Negative?

[j_ws]

Originally Posted by WRnative

You're right. You made some good points in your earlier posts in this thread, but I had forgotten about them due to the line of argument that you advanced in post 15, that a materially larger percentage of Greater Clevelanders couldn't afford to enjoy Cleveland amenities, even the many free ones, compared to residents of other cities, many of which lack the superb free and low-cost alternatives available in Cleveland, including relatively excellent and affordable mass transit. As noted, I believe your premise is false, and certainly not substantiated in your subsequent posts.

I think the fundamental difference is that we're also speaking in two different contexts. I didn't intend to refer to residents of the greater MSA in my initial argument and I think that point was sidetracked later on when we brought MSA data into the mix. I'm really just arguing that a distinctly large number of people in the urban core can't really take advantage of these amenities and therefore that has a net negative effect on regional perception as a whole, whereas I believe your viewpoint is that greater Cleveland residents are able to counter the negative outlooks of those in concentrated poverty in the inner core similar to suburban residents in other cities with lower amounts of poverty in the inner core.

Originally Posted by TheProf

I think Clark-Fulton is worse off than Cudell, in which parts are gentrifying.

For sure. I just threw in Cudell because I live there and can use it as a frame of reference. And I would say Cudell and the sometimes-forgotten southern part of Detroit-Shoreway are still closer in makeup to Clark-Fulton than to the other near west neighborhoods, so it seemed like the most applicable pairing.

I think it will be interesting to see how the two neighborhoods progress. Cudell seems primed for spillover from D-S. According to the CDC, there is finally going to be a transit-oriented development study done for the 1.5 mile radius around the West Blvd rapid station. However, this area between the West Blvd station and 90 should already theoretically be way more in demand, but anything of that sort has really just stayed contained to West Blvd and a few pockets around there. Madison Ave between West Blvd and W 98th is also a wonderfully untapped asset.

At the same time, Clark-Fulton has a pretty great CDC and they are really pushing development along the southern segment of W 25th, as well as establishing unique neighborhood branding. I wouldn't be shocked if Clark-Fulton ends up taking off quicker.

I think if these areas can continue to stabilize without losing their huge potential to accommodate residents of varying incomes, it will have a nice impact on alleviating some of the issues I was attempting to mention previously in the thread.

[Joe Mantegna]

To be honest with you I experienced the opposite living on the east coast. It seemed like everybody had a stereotype of Cleveland, depressed, miserable, cold, heartbreaking(from a sports perspective), declining, etc. almost all negative. I went there for the first time for a friends wedding and found that I didn't find any of the stereotypes to be true. I had a great time, went to a baseball game, the lakefront and rock hall of fame, checked out the area near the arcade. It seemed to me the locals had a lot of pride in their city. Granted I probably only saw the better areas and not everything but I would say it was the locals who had a good attitude about their city, and the outsiders who didn't. That's just my experience though

[bjimmy24]

Originally Posted by Joe Mantegna

To be honest with you I experienced the opposite living on the east coast. It seemed like everybody had a stereotype of Cleveland, depressed, miserable, cold, heartbreaking(from a sports perspective), declining, etc. almost all negative. I went there for the first time for a friends wedding and found that I didn't find any of the stereotypes to be true. I had a great time, went to a baseball game, the lakefront and rock hall of fame, checked out the area near the arcade. It seemed to me the locals had a lot of pride in their city. Granted I probably only saw the better areas and not everything but I would say it was the locals who had a good attitude about their city, and the outsiders who didn't. That's just my experience though

East Coast people can be unbearably arrogant. It's true they will down talk Cleveland and be unable to name even one street in the city. East coasters are sometimes the most ignorant people in the country.

[bjimmy24]

Cleveland is a phenomenal city. Been watching the tribe games with some Cleveland girls I met at the bar. We all decided that Cleveland is better than boston for numerous reasons. If only we didn't have decent jobs here...

[QCongress83216]

Originally Posted by Joe Mantegna

To be honest with you I experienced the opposite living on the east coast. It seemed like everybody had a stereotype of Cleveland, depressed, miserable, cold, heartbreaking(from a sports perspective), declining, etc. almost all negative. I went there for the first time for a friends wedding and found that I didn't find any of the stereotypes to be true. I had a great time, went to a baseball game, the lakefront and rock hall of fame, checked out the area near the arcade. It seemed to me the locals had a lot of pride in their city. Granted I probably only saw the better areas and not everything but I would say it was the locals who had a good attitude about their city, and the outsiders who didn't. That's just my experience though

Which part of the East Coast are you from? East Coast people have always had a negative perception of Cleveland and the Midwest. They think the East Coast is the center of the universe and the Midwest is the sticks. They'll talk stuff about it but can't name one thing about the city except for what they hear from social media, national media, jokes, celebs or stand up comics.