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Now that Nebraska has left the Big 12, do you think recruiting will be harder or easier for them?
I think it will be much harder because they won't be able to competitively compete with Ohio State, Penn State, or Michigan for recruiting in Ohio (which I'd say has the 3rd best high school football players next to Texas and California). Because they are out of the Big 12 they will lose a lot more recruits to Texas based teams like TCU, Houston, and possibly even SMU. I looked up Nebraska's roster and 20% of the players are from Texas (30% from Nebraska). I also noticed lots of the players are from Arizona and California. I think being in the Big 10 will hurt them in those two states as well because of the distance.
It seems a school like Michagan has not had trouble continuing to get players from TX and CA with an even greater distance
I was curious about this, so I looked it up:
-Only 5% of Michigan's team is from Texas
-Only 2% of Michigan's team is from California
This really pales in comparison to the 20% of Texans making up Nebraska's team. Also, the Texans on Nebraska's team were more highly ranked recruits when they were coming out of HS
If Nebraska ends up being like Michigan, it leads me to believe their team will suffer quite a bit
-Only 5% of Michigan's team is from Texas
-Only 2% of Michigan's team is from California
This really pales in comparison to the 20% of Texans making up Nebraska's team. Also, the Texans on Nebraska's team were more highly ranked recruits when they were coming out of HS
If Nebraska ends up being like Michigan, it leads me to believe their team will suffer quite a bit
It always seemed historically that MU did well in these states myabe I have it overstated but it seems many of their better players were from these areas.
Michigan recruiting (or where from) always seemed a lot different than either a PSU (PA/OH/NJ/VA centric) or OSU (OH and PA) Michagan doesnt seem to have the numbers as does OH and PA on a consistent basis to source in state.
Also it would seem that if Nebraska has relationships already in these states why would they be so significantly diminished. On the flip side this could alos up more opportunity to recruit from the Eastern Midwest and even Northeast being in the big ten.
The Big Ten is the biggest name conference so joining the Big Ten will help in that regard. Losing being part of a conference that is in Texas, will probably hurt them that way, as well as every other state that isn't in their conference anymore.
Now that Nebraska has left the Big 12, do you think recruiting will be harder or easier for them?
I think it will be much harder because they won't be able to competitively compete with Ohio State, Penn State, or Michigan for recruiting in Ohio (which I'd say has the 3rd best high school football players next to Texas and California). Because they are out of the Big 12 they will lose a lot more recruits to Texas based teams like TCU, Houston, and possibly even SMU. I looked up Nebraska's roster and 20% of the players are from Texas (30% from Nebraska). I also noticed lots of the players are from Arizona and California. I think being in the Big 10 will hurt them in those two states as well because of the distance.
So what do you think?
I don't think Ohio is #3 in terms of talent. That is TX, FL, CA, no contest. Ohio might be in the top 5, or the top 10.
if I remember correctly, Nebraska historically did well recruiting California, Texas, and (strangely) New Jersey. Moving to the Big Ten might close some doors in Texas, but it ought to open some doors in the midwest, particularly Illinois.
Because I'm a nerd... here is what the data looks like, in terms of the number of BCS-conference players that each state produced, 2007-2009. This includes DC, and omits some states that didn't produce any.
Nebraska already recruits California and Texas pretty heavily, I think their best bet in the Big Ten is to establish a foothold in Chicago.
Rank, State, # of BCS recruits, 2007-2009
1 Florida 601
2 Texas 598
3 California 448
4 Georgia 307
5 Ohio 219
6 Virginia 158
7 Pennsylvania 148
8 Alabama 142
9 North Carolina 141
10 South Carolina 122
11 New Jersey 121
12 Illinois 112
13 Louisiana 111
14 Mississippi 105
15 Michigan 98
16 Maryland 95
17 Tennessee 92
18 Oklahoma 72
19 Arizona 69
20 Missouri 61
21 Washington 58
22 Indiana 57
23 New York 56
24 Arkansas 54
25 Kansas 53
26 Kentucky 45
27 Colorado 39
28 Iowa 32
29 Minnesota 32
30 Hawaii 30
31 Wisconsin 28
32 Oregon 27
33 Massachusetts 25
34 Connecticut 24
35 Nebraska 23
36 DC 18
37 Nevada 17
38 Utah 13
39 Delaware 11
40 Idaho 10
41 West Virginia 9
42 New Hampshire 6
43 New Mexico 5
44 Montana 4
45 Alaska 2
46 South Dakota 1
Because I'm a nerd... here is what the data looks like, in terms of the number of BCS-conference players that each state produced, 2007-2009. This includes DC, and omits some states that didn't produce any.
Nebraska already recruits California and Texas pretty heavily, I think their best bet in the Big Ten is to establish a foothold in Chicago.
Rank, State, # of BCS recruits, 2007-2009
1 Florida 601
2 Texas 598
3 California 448
4 Georgia 307
5 Ohio 219
6 Virginia 158
7 Pennsylvania 148
8 Alabama 142
9 North Carolina 141
10 South Carolina 122
11 New Jersey 121
12 Illinois 112
13 Louisiana 111
14 Mississippi 105
15 Michigan 98
16 Maryland 95
17 Tennessee 92
18 Oklahoma 72
19 Arizona 69
20 Missouri 61
21 Washington 58
22 Indiana 57
23 New York 56
24 Arkansas 54
25 Kansas 53
26 Kentucky 45
27 Colorado 39
28 Iowa 32
29 Minnesota 32
30 Hawaii 30
31 Wisconsin 28
32 Oregon 27
33 Massachusetts 25
34 Connecticut 24
35 Nebraska 23
36 DC 18
37 Nevada 17
38 Utah 13
39 Delaware 11
40 Idaho 10
41 West Virginia 9
42 New Hampshire 6
43 New Mexico 5
44 Montana 4
45 Alaska 2
46 South Dakota 1
That is an interesting list, I should have mentioned Florida in my post. I'm really surprised Georgia is so high on that list...
here's another list... this one shows you the average distance (in miles) between a state's recruits, and the schools they sign with.
it is of limited use, because locations out west are going to be spread much further apart. However, you can use it as a very rough gauge of how close a particular state's high school talent is staying to home, when choosing colleges.
So states at the top tend to have surplus recruits that are being recruited by far-away schools. States at the bottom have very few surplus recruits, they are all being fought over by local schools...
like North Carolina, which has talent similar to South Carolina, but it has 4 BCS schools instead of 2. Or Iowa / Nebraska / Minnesota / Wisconsin, which have plenty of football teams between them, and few recruits.
Rank State Average Distance in miles
1 Hawaii 2745.8627
2 Alaska 2211.2400
3 Montana 829.9550
4 California 723.4107
5 Idaho 652.2030
6 Utah 633.9685
7 Florida 607.3264
8 Arizona 557.8861
9 Nevada 541.3706
10 Colorado 505.1656
11 Texas 478.7967
12 Connecticut 464.7200
13 New Mexico 450.9440
14 Louisiana 406.0484
15 New York 396.6859
16 New Jersey 365.6407
17 Massachusetts 360.2164
18 South Dakota 348.4000
19 Oregon 339.9219
20 Georgia 339.9047
21 DC 326.6539
22 Kansas 321.9853
23 Tennessee 316.5629
24 Pennsylvania 290.5101
25 Arkansas 286.0865
26 Illinois 284.2474
27 Michigan 282.2791
28 Maryland 281.7662
29 South Carolina 273.7883
30 Washington 256.6066
31 Virginia 255.6539
32 Delaware 249.6282
33 Ohio 247.4403
34 Oklahoma 244.7386
35 Alabama 235.2876
36 Missouri 231.1333
37 Mississippi 217.0481
38 Nebraska 210.3552
39 West Virginia 209.4256
40 Indiana 192.8567
41 Kentucky 188.2287
42 North Carolina 182.7339
43 Minnesota 167.3631
44 Iowa 164.3122
45 Wisconsin 163.7146
46 New Hampshire 127.7333
Nebraska is Nebraska they'll get their kids. If I remember correctly, they pound the Plains and Texas just like Mizzou and Iowa do.
I think sometimes people over hype the (OOOHHH ITS SOOO COLLD) argument.
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