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Old 11-05-2011, 12:20 AM
 
Location: Kansas City, MO
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And what I wrote is true. You are equating success with one isolated person's modest material success. He sound's middle class. Nothing special.

Having a particular motor vehical, does not make anyone successful. Having a house with a certain number of bedrooms? What does that mean?

The house will eventually, rot. The cars will go o the junk yard. Having four children is not an achievement, it's a biological event.

Knowlege is passed down from parent to child, as are values. I was not raised to think that people with nice cars or homes are winners, and those without those things are losers. I was raised to value and admire wisdom and achievement.

I have raised my children to value people for their kindness, their wisdom and love. Education, not cars, is another important componant in our value system.

I do not idolize the Kardashians or Paris Hilton or Lindsay Lohan.
Education is a value and a college degree is evidence of the completion of that value. Learning has absolutely nothing to do with the aquisition of material goods.

I stand by what I wrote - perhaps a few people will be successful without attending college. But today, barring inheritance or the lottery, most will not. In the future, less and less people will succeed with out an education.

I would continue to advice anyone who wants to do well in this world to learn as much as he or she is able, and to bear evidence of that knowlege by obtaining at least a bachelor's degree from an accredited college.

I think that most parents want that for their children.Don't you?
You're a bit out there and perhaps it is you who is a bit shallow.

I mean, las vegas drunk said their friend didn't go to college yet is raising a family at middle class standards. That is how I read it. It was YOU, sheena, that was focused on the cars and material things - your interpretation. I think LVD was basically trying to illustrate their friends are living a middle class standard of life by mentioning the new cars and how many bedrooms the house has. I'm sorry it seems you've not had the chance to empathize with average people, but most folks count sustaining a family and buying a home and having 2 cars in the garage as success. There's nothing wrong with that. It's the American Dream and it is success.

And for all you know LVD's friends may very much value education and probably intend to have their kids educated beyond high school. It seems you may be putting too much emphasis on education to the point you're obsessed with it...makes me think you were the first in your family to go to college and your ego's gone awry.
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Old 11-05-2011, 11:59 PM
 
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And wikipedia is not a reputable source....


It might not have a good reputation with old professors, but it is the best and most accurate knowledge of information man has ever seen.
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Old 05-04-2012, 11:52 PM
 
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No, that’s not it at all. I think that’s something cooked up by cynics who don’t know the value of college education. What’s probably closer to truth is that the same jobs that could be had with a high school diploma a few years ago now have a college degree as a prerequisite.

There are many jobs that can be secured with an Associate’s degree, which is a two-year program and covers technical scope of training in a particular field. The healthcare sector, especially, is brimming with such jobs – medical assisting, medical coding and billing, pharmacy tech, X-ray tech, respiratory therapy and nursing to name a few.

But even within this industry, some roles like health services manager require candidates to complete a Bachelor’s degree in healthcare if not a higher program.
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Old 05-05-2012, 04:18 AM
 
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Unemployment rate is 4% for those over 25 with a degree.
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:24 AM
 
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I could not have gotten any of the jobs that I've had after high school if not for my college degree.

Nuff said.
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:26 AM
 
Location: San Francisco, CA
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It really depends what you studied, what school you went to, how well you did, and how motivated you are to put it to effective use in the post-college world.
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Texas
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It is in the sense that it's a bare minimum for a lot of things (where a high school diploma used to be a bare minimum for more things).

But not all degrees are equal.
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Old 05-05-2012, 10:40 AM
 
Location: West Roxbury, MA
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"less and less people will succeed with out an education"

...fewer and fewer people will succeed without an education."
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Old 01-05-2014, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Portsmouth, VA
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If so that's messed up!
No. That is an oversimplification of what is going on in the current job market. A bachelors degree will definitely afford you better job opportunities than a high school diploma. The distinction now may be a job that pays two or three dollars more, whereas in the past the difference was enough to propel you into the upper middle class, but there is still a distinction that needs to be made.

A lot of college graduates are disillusioned because their jobs are only paying $15 an hour or less, and they feel that they deserve more because of their degree, but that is not the case at all. College was never about "I am going to find a job paying $50 an hour". It was always about preparing yourself with the life skills that can help improve your situation over time. Today's graduates need to think like businessmen and look at whatever entrepreneurial options that may be available to them.
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