Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education > Colleges and Universities
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 08-02-2011, 09:40 AM
 
4,388 posts, read 4,243,293 times
Reputation: 5878

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by itshim View Post
Great book by the way...but I thought that was a chapter in "How to Think about the Great Ideas?" Is that a separate book altogether??
How to Read a Book: The art of getting a liberal education, by Mortimer J. Adler, Simon and Schuster, 1940. I have a paperback 31st printing that originally cost $1.75.

I don't recall now, but it was likely an expansion of the chapter on the Great Ideas book that you mentioned. He was one of the architects of the Great Books series that I have been trying to collect over the years.

(I have a secret Fahrenheit 451 obsession--I seem to want to have a copy of every book ever published! You should see my house! Books on every flat surface....Just bought another 4 at the Borders going out of business sale. That was some serious restraint!)

I agree with itshim--one of the things that distinguished an advanced degree from an undergraduate degree is the fact that, at that level, you are expected to become an expert in your field. That means having a deep knowledge of the core topics as well as a broad knowledge of everything else.

Burning the midnight oil is expected in order to acquire that level of expertise. If necessary, drop the social life first, then the sleep. Or do something that requires training instead of education. There is a difference.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-02-2011, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Cleveland
4,678 posts, read 4,996,745 times
Reputation: 6038
Quote:
Originally Posted by superseiyan View Post
For those that have massive amounts of material to read, what approaches have you used to digest the reading material?

Surely line-by-line reading or reading all books like a novel can't be the idea, whether it's for school or whether it's at a job. (I'm not whining by the way, just observing that literally reading every book in depth can't be the most efficient way).

Curious what you guys have done.

FWIW, I'm in International Affairs.
Don't worry about a technique, otherwise you'll drive yourself crazy. Just get a mindset where there might actually be something interesting or useful in the reading, and just sit down and read the damn thing. If you're sick of reading it, stop, and if you're stopping too much, make sure you leave yourself enough time.

Once you start getting a lot of reading under your belt, you'll know what you can skip and what you can't. But I can't sit here and categorically tell you what to skip. That won't work.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-03-2011, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Missouri
6,044 posts, read 24,105,187 times
Reputation: 5183
Quote:
Originally Posted by itshim View Post
Unfortunately it is...that's what makes grad school so different. The expectations are simply higher in every imaginable way. In undergrad you can get away with skimming, trimming and just reading cliff notes sometimes. In your field especially, knowing details and being able to explain your ideas with factual clarity is critical.
ditto!!! I am in grad school and I am always reading... it's a lot more than undergrad was, but I am very interested in my major so it's really not that bad, just time consuming. If I don't keep up with it, it's really hard to catch up so I try to do my reading regularly.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-03-2011, 07:29 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
6,454 posts, read 7,017,072 times
Reputation: 4663
Quote:
Originally Posted by lhpartridge View Post
How to Read a Book: The art of getting a liberal education, by Mortimer J. Adler, Simon and Schuster, 1940. I have a paperback 31st printing that originally cost $1.75.

I don't recall now, but it was likely an expansion of the chapter on the Great Ideas book that you mentioned. He was one of the architects of the Great Books series that I have been trying to collect over the years.

(I have a secret Fahrenheit 451 obsession--I seem to want to have a copy of every book ever published! You should see my house! Books on every flat surface....Just bought another 4 at the Borders going out of business sale. That was some serious restraint!)

I agree with itshim--one of the things that distinguished an advanced degree from an undergraduate degree is the fact that, at that level, you are expected to become an expert in your field. That means having a deep knowledge of the core topics as well as a broad knowledge of everything else.

Burning the midnight oil is expected in order to acquire that level of expertise. If necessary, drop the social life first, then the sleep. Or do something that requires training instead of education. There is a difference.

Thanks for the reference. I will be buying this on amazon asap. Mortimer Adler IMO should be required reading at all colleges for incoming freshmen.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-03-2011, 07:32 PM
 
Location: Middle America
37,409 posts, read 53,629,273 times
Reputation: 53074
I just read, but I've always been a very fast reader. Skimming never cut it, for me.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-04-2011, 07:36 AM
 
961 posts, read 2,027,949 times
Reputation: 481
Again 'm not looking for a way to read less per se. I'm looking for effective ways to absorb more material--however the consensus seems to be to just read everything like a novel (i.e. read all pages of all articles and all books assigned within the required time frame).

Fair enough.

Given that consensus, my followup question is:
- With the idea that it is advisable to read all articles and all books assigned--by reading does one mean "studying extensively and taking notes and re-reading" (all the material) or does one just mean reading i.e. read it through once?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-04-2011, 07:37 AM
 
961 posts, read 2,027,949 times
Reputation: 481
Quote:
Originally Posted by TabulaRasa View Post
I just read, but I've always been a very fast reader. Skimming never cut it, for me.
How do you differentiate skimming and reading fast?

I'm not being snide, I'm actually curious. And like I asked in my previous post is reading = understanding/studying? Perhaps it could be.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-04-2011, 09:24 AM
 
4,388 posts, read 4,243,293 times
Reputation: 5878
Quote:
Originally Posted by superseiyan View Post
Again 'm not looking for a way to read less per se. I'm looking for effective ways to absorb more material--however the consensus seems to be to just read everything like a novel (i.e. read all pages of all articles and all books assigned within the required time frame).

Fair enough.

Given that consensus, my followup question is:
- With the idea that it is advisable to read all articles and all books assigned--by reading does one mean "studying extensively and taking notes and re-reading" (all the material) or does one just mean reading i.e. read it through once?
It depends on the relative importance of the assignment. I usually take study notes, with the book, chapter, page, etc. recorded in my notes in case I need to go back and reread. I stop and reflect on what I read. In Adler's book, Chapter 3--Reading is Learning, he says that it is not enough to learn what the author says. One must also consider what the author means. For this reason, reading to learn is very different from reading for amusement, which is what you do when you read a novel or an entertaining magazine article.

Many people use the Cornell note-taking system, in which you take notes and then ask reflective questions about the material.

A side note on the paradigm shift in reading media. Studies show that the brain processes information differently depending on whether one records one's thoughts in handwriting versus typing. The handwriting process apparently directs the brain to consider its output more deeply than typing. I don't know if this will change as more people begin typing their notes in class. Usually when something like this happens, something is lost while something else is gained. It will be interesting to see what happens when our daughter begins medical school. She will no longer be taking handwritten lecture notes. I think it's a bad idea, but she says that no one writes their notes in notebooks anymore because they are all online. An added layer of interest is that her undergraduate studies were primarily in neuroscience.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-04-2011, 07:14 PM
 
19,046 posts, read 25,210,230 times
Reputation: 13485
I have to read quite a bit at work and the time I invest depends on why I'm reading an article. If I'm going to a journal club meeting to watch a presentation I'll skim the article. If I'm going to present an article at journal club, then I'll take detailed notes as I go. If it's for research purposes and I'm blowing through several articles I'll skim until I find something interesting, then I'll read it line by line and highlight where necessary.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-04-2011, 08:25 PM
 
Location: Middle America
37,409 posts, read 53,629,273 times
Reputation: 53074
Quote:
Originally Posted by superseiyan View Post
How do you differentiate skimming and reading fast?

I'm not being snide, I'm actually curious. And like I asked in my previous post is reading = understanding/studying? Perhaps it could be.
I define reading as actual reading in entirety. Skimming is glancing over and picking out what you think/hope are the important parts, but isn't particularly thorough.

I read thoroughly quickly, so I don't really need to skip over anything as a time-saving maneuver. I tend to absorb and retain more this way, which negates the need for a lot of extra study. I also have a very good memory.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Education > Colleges and Universities

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:26 PM.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top