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Hiring is expensive and time consuming. Companies look for the best fit from someone who is likely to stay around for awhile. HR directors are concerned that an overqualified person will become bored and slack off or continue searching for a more challenging position. It's a reasonable concern.
On the other hand, it's sometimes a euphemistic way of saying, "Thanks, but no thanks." It's very hard to tell.
Hiring is expensive and time consuming. Companies look for the best fit from someone who is likely to stay around for awhile. HR directors are concerned that an overqualified person will become bored and slack off or continue searching for a more challenging position. It's a reasonable concern.
On the other hand, it's sometimes a euphemistic way of saying, "Thanks, but no thanks." It's very hard to tell.
And OTOH (is there a third hand?), companies can get a lot of work out of an employee who sticks around for a few years, until something "better" comes along, which of course, may never happen. An example: an engineer I know was laid off. He took a job at Radio Shack, first in retail; later he was promoted to a manager postition. He worked there a total of several years. Eventually he did find another engineering job. Meanwhile, Radio Shack got a lot of good work out of him, and he probably worked there longer than many others. And OTOH, there are no guarantees with ANY hire.
What is your rationale for this? Many people go straight from undergrad to grad school in engineering and the sciences, plus into professions.
To me it screams out a lack of self confidence and seems to be more "delaying adulthood" then anything else.
Excluding the handful of professions where a masters is necessary to start with of course.
Going to 6+ years of school after high school is just too much. At some point you got to get out there, work a real job in real life and do something. Especially nowadays loads of people are delaying real life because of the crappy economy. To me, you gotta get out there and do something tangible before you go back for more schooling after you get a bachelors (which is a great achievement and definitely something to be proud of).
Except for very select careers, it's never a good idea to get a master's degree without having at least 5 years of work experience to back up that degree.
How do those Chinese or Indian students who come to the US for their Masters or PhD manage to find jobs immediately after graduation with no experience if that were true?
I disagree. SOME companies pay for SOME degrees. I never heard of anyone getting a PhD this way. From what I know of company tuition reimbursement programs, you have to be working full time to take advantage of them. It would take the rest of your life to get a PhD that way.
I know a number of engineers who got a master's right away, or with a year or so of experience. My nephew graduated from the U of CO with a combined bachelor's/master's degree in business, and has been steadily employed in finance since. Many people major in math or science, then immediately go into a master's program in engineering. I know another engineer who decided to go the route you described; he graduated five years ago and has done nothing towards his master's yet, and is now engaged to be married and it will probably be a long time until he does so, if at all.
Virtually all physical therapy programs have gone to the doctoral level now.
Then I guess you never heard of Hewlett-Packard. They paid for two of my graduate degrees, though a program called a 'Resident Fellowship'. They send you full-time, at 75% salary (so you are the highest-paid grad student on campus ). One of my peers got his PhD this way, and is now a professor at BU in BME.
My other two employers paid for my other grad degrees.
Only costs I had to cough up was for undergrad.
Bell Labs (may they RIP), also used to do it as well.
I DID find, that after working a few years before getting advanced degrees, you tend to know exactly what is important, and what is just fluff in the coursework. Having a few working years under your belt makes grad school a walk in the park (compared to those that go straight for a grad degree).
The only reason I see for getting a PhD is so that you can go teach after you retire. (Though I shouldn't talk, since all my relatives have one).
I disagree. SOME companies pay for SOME degrees. I never heard of anyone getting a PhD this way. From what I know of company tuition reimbursement programs, you have to be working full time to take advantage of them. It would take the rest of your life to get a PhD that way.
I know a number of engineers who got a master's right away, or with a year or so of experience. My nephew graduated from the U of CO with a combined bachelor's/master's degree in business, and has been steadily employed in finance since. Many people major in math or science, then immediately go into a master's program in engineering. I know another engineer who decided to go the route you described; he graduated five years ago and has done nothing towards his master's yet, and is now engaged to be married and it will probably be a long time until he does so, if at all.
Virtually all physical therapy programs have gone to the doctoral level now.
Then the jobs they got wanted candidates with a masters degree to start. If the base requirement was 2 years experience and a bachelor's degree, they wouldn't have been considered for those jobs because they were overqualified. It happens all the time, every day in every company. No company is going to hire a former CEO to be the corporate receptionist. Same principle applies here.
Then the jobs they got wanted candidates with a masters degree to start. If the base requirement was 2 years experience and a bachelor's degree, they wouldn't have been considered for those jobs because they were overqualified. It happens all the time, every day in every company. No company is going to hire a former CEO to be the corporate receptionist. Same principle applies here.
And this is based on what detailed knowledge/experience of yours? You know, the rest of us did not just drop down from Mars (and I'm not talking about Mars, Pennsylvania) yesterday. Probably half the people on this forum are students; most of the rest are people who have been in the workforce for years, if not decades. Lots of jobs have flexible qualifications.
Then I guess you never heard of Hewlett-Packard. They paid for two of my graduate degrees, though a program called a 'Resident Fellowship'. They send you full-time, at 75% salary (so you are the highest-paid grad student on campus ). One of my peers got his PhD this way, and is now a professor at BU in BME.
My other two employers paid for my other grad degrees.
Only costs I had to cough up was for undergrad.
Bell Labs (may they RIP), also used to do it as well.
I DID find, that after working a few years before getting advanced degrees, you tend to know exactly what is important, and what is just fluff in the coursework. Having a few working years under your belt makes grad school a walk in the park (compared to those that go straight for a grad degree).
The only reason I see for getting a PhD is so that you can go teach after you retire. (Though I shouldn't talk, since all my relatives have one).
Those days are gone. Either they are stuck in Post Doc for 4-5 years after PhD or they are even struggling to find internships after Masters.For indian students, a major source of recruitment was IT consultancy and nowadays third party H-1B applications are not approved. getting jobs is very difficult for indian and chinese students.
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How do those Chinese or Indian students who come to the US for their Masters or PhD manage to find jobs immediately after graduation with no experience if that were true?
And OTOH (is there a third hand?), companies can get a lot of work out of an employee who sticks around for a few years, until something "better" comes along, which of course, may never happen. An example: an engineer I know was laid off. He took a job at Radio Shack, first in retail; later he was promoted to a manager postition. He worked there a total of several years. Eventually he did find another engineering job. Meanwhile, Radio Shack got a lot of good work out of him, and he probably worked there longer than many others. And OTOH, there are no guarantees with ANY hire.
It can, and does, happen, but I think it's the exception. Especially in this economy when there are so many people looking of jobs and employers can be choosy. Also, retail has such high turnover that they're more likely to take a chance. It would be harder with a corporate job.
Too many people are looking for work in all the wrong places. Find something in your field you are currently "underqualified" for, and work your ass off to make yourself qualified. No one's going to hand you anything, you have to make your own opportunities!
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). One of my peers got his PhD this way, and is now a professor at BU in BME.
