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Agreed. I bet college professors at four year colleges and Universities everywhere who teach Freshman level classes would agree. This is not a community college specific problem.
I disagree---but then I went to college, my kids are in college and most kids in a 4 year college most certainly do turn in their homework...especially those right out of high school that graduate within 4 years....if they don't, they are gone after a semester so it's a self-weeding process vs a CC that accepts anyone with a pulse. Numbers comparing the 2 have been posted already....
Yep, maybe 26 % of the CC kids are motivated but it's ignorant to think that is the case with most of the students....
I stated there are slackers in 4 yr schools and CCs. And Michigan, Berkeley, UVa, NYU, Amherst, Stanford, etc. are all very interested in CC kids. So I think your view is incorrect.
I disagree---but then I went to college, my kids are in college and most kids in a 4 year college most certainly do turn in their homework...especially those right out of high school that graduate within 4 years....if they don't, they are gone after a semester so it's a self-weeding process vs a CC that accepts anyone with a pulse. Numbers comparing the 2 have been posted already....
Numbers, that, as many have pointed out, don't tell the whole story.
The OP is teaching at a CC. His experience is at a CC. There is nothing to compare to. No one has come on here and said they teach at a 4 year college and it's different, or the same, for that matter.
I disagree---but then I went to college, my kids are in college and most kids in a 4 year college most certainly do turn in their homework...especially those right out of high school that graduate within 4 years....if they don't, they are gone after a semester so it's a self-weeding process vs a CC that accepts anyone with a pulse. Numbers comparing the 2 have been posted already....
I also went to college as did my husband and my parents and my siblings. One of my parents is a college professor at a 4 year school and the other worked for many years as an administrator at a CC. I have friends who teach at the University level as well as at the community college level. I have heard enough stories and have enough experience in life to know that unmotivated students exist and are an issue at any school. It's ridiculous that you keep trying to push this stereotype. The numbers that you tout show little difference and they do not tell the whole story.
I also went to college as did my husband and my parents and my siblings. One of my parents is a college professor at a 4 year school and the other worked for many years as an administrator at a CC. I have friends who teach at the University level as well as at the community college level. I have heard enough stories and have enough experience in life to know that unmotivated students exist and are an issue at any school. It's ridiculous that you keep trying to push this stereotype. The numbers that you tout show little difference and they do not tell the whole story.
The reality though is the data supports her contention, only 10% of low income students finish community college in 3 years.
I stated there are slackers in 4 yr schools and CCs. And Michigan, Berkeley, UVa, NYU, Amherst, Stanford, etc. are all very interested in CC kids. So I think your view is incorrect.
The graduation rate at tops schools are in the order of about 3 times the magnitude as community colleges. Why are people getting so defensive about this contention?
Agreed. I bet college professors at four year colleges and Universities everywhere who teach Freshman level classes would agree. This is not a community college specific problem.
Especially in 100/200 level courses because most students need to take these courses in some fashion. Doesn't matter if it is community college, college or university. 100 and 200 level courses will have much more bottom of the barrel students. PERIOD!
How did we suddenly switch from "community college students" to "low income cc students"?
And from 4 year colleges to "top schools"? (Below)
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Originally Posted by EdwardA
The graduation rate at tops schools are in the order of about 3 times the magnitude as community colleges. Why are people getting so defensive about this contention?
Why are people trying to analyze other posters?
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