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Old 03-22-2014, 10:56 AM
 
Location: southern california
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Old 03-22-2014, 10:56 AM
 
Location: St Thomas, US Virgin Islands
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Adjunct faculty at both the community college and 4 year college level are generally not required to demonstrate teaching ability. It's the way it is.

When I was in grad school many, many moons ago, being able to teach and teach well was at the bottom of the list of qualifications for teaching positions at universities. Where you went to grad school, who your advisor was, had you published, etc was much more important. I can't say if that's changed in the intervening decades.

Applicants for tenure track (full time) teaching positions at the CC where I work have to give a teaching demonstration as part of the interview process.
Thanks for your response. That's a very sad state of affairs but it does illuminate a fundamental problem with the education system.
 
Old 03-22-2014, 11:07 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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Thanks for your response. That's a very sad state of affairs but it does illuminate a fundamental problem with the education system.
I finished my grad school classes in 1975, and that was established practice long before that date. The problem of crappy teachers at the college level has been a long, long standing issue.

When I started undergrad, I chose a state college rather than the state university in the same city because I didn't want to sit in a 400 student lecture taught by some starving grad assistant rather than the big name professor I thought I signed up for. I figured classes of 20-35 students and the actual, though not-so-well-known, prof assigned to the class was a better deal. It was.
 
Old 03-22-2014, 11:24 AM
 
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There are slackers in 2 yr and 4 yr programs. That's life. But it's ignorant to label CC students unmotivated.

Stanford took 26 percent of their transfers from CCs in 2007. UMich, UCal-Davis, UVa- these schools all actively seek transfers from CCs.
 
Old 03-22-2014, 03:48 PM
 
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There are slackers in 2 yr and 4 yr programs. That's life. But it's ignorant to label CC students unmotivated.

Stanford took 26 percent of their transfers from CCs in 2007. UMich, UCal-Davis, UVa- these schools all actively seek transfers from CCs.
Yep, maybe 26 % of the CC kids are motivated but it's ignorant to think that is the case with most of the students....
 
Old 03-22-2014, 03:51 PM
 
Location: California
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I think the non motivated ones just stand out more. I know that's the case everywhere else in life. MOST people slip in and out without notice, getting what they want or need out of a situation. In CC's the goal isn't always getting an AA degree or transferring to a 4 year either, so I'm not sure how you can guesstimate "motivation". I've always been the non traditional student, mingling with other non traditional students, and we do fine.
 
Old 03-22-2014, 03:54 PM
 
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I think the non motivated ones just stand out more. I know that's the case everywhere else in life. MOST people slip in and out without notice, getting what they want or need out of a situation. In CC's the goal isn't always getting an AA degree or transferring to a 4 year either, so I'm not sure how you can guesstimate "motivation".
when CC instructors complain that his students are not turning in assignments....
 
Old 03-22-2014, 03:55 PM
 
Location: California
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when CC instructors complain that his students are not turning in assignments....
All teachers complain about that. Everywhere.
 
Old 03-22-2014, 04:17 PM
 
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when CC instructors complain that his students are not turning in assignments....
And this has never happened anywhere but a CC?
 
Old 03-22-2014, 04:21 PM
 
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All teachers complain about that. Everywhere.
Agreed. I bet college professors at four year colleges and Universities everywhere who teach Freshman level classes would agree. This is not a community college specific problem.
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