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What I find disturbing is that too many people who went to college believe the hype and actually do consider themselves "smarter" or "more intelligent" or even "more educated" than a plumber. It's actually kind of scary. And this phenomenon is not limited to people who attended Ivy League schools.
You know, I have worked with people who did not attend college who thought that they were smarter and/or better than their college counterparts. This attitude is human nature, maybe even a personality flaw, but it definitely goes both ways.
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Originally Posted by Jeromeville
"Education" is basically a buzzword now for "I attended college" which certainly does not automatically make you smarter, more well-read, or more socially tolerant than someone who only has a high school diploma. It only means you ponied up money to get some sort of credential from someone.
As I mentioned previously, anyone with the attitude that they are better than anyone else simply because they went to college are the same people who would believe the same if they never attended and became a plumber. That attitude was there prior and it is coming from the person. Not sure whether you went to college or not, or whether you are a plumber or not (Joe the Plumber, perhaps?) but the condescending tone in your post shows my point.
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Kids will commit suicide if they don't get into the "right" college because on some level they know that they will "lose face" unless they do.
While suicide may be the extreme route, I will agree with this. You must keep in mind that teenagers are far more prone to falling for the appearance is acceptance routine than adults.
You know, I have worked with people who did not attend college who thought that they were smarter and/or better than their college counterparts. This attitude is human nature, maybe even a personality flaw, but it definitely goes both ways.
As I mentioned previously, anyone with the attitude that they are better than anyone else simply because they went to college are the same people who would believe the same if they never attended and became a plumber. That attitude was there prior and it is coming from the person. Not sure whether you went to college or not, or whether you are a plumber or not (Joe the Plumber, perhaps?) but the condescending tone in your post shows my point.
I have to completely agree...I've worked with some high school dropouts who thought they were God's-gift-to-the-world and were smarter and better than everyone else in the world. The holier-than-thou, condescending attitude can be found in truck drivers, plumbers, lawyers and the entire fabric of society. I definitely deal with some rather large egos as a graduate student in engineering, but I can't say they are any bigger than the egos I dealt with while working at a grocery store or trucking company while in high school.
I don't think so, however people who are snobs to begin with tend to choose the Ivies.
I went to an Ivy as an undergrad, and I somewhat agree with your post.
You (not just you, K-Luv) have to remember that two things are big in the Ivy League: money and legacies. In my experience, I did meet a lot of rich snobs. Furthermore, many of them came from an Ivy League background (take that as you will). I did meet a handful of good people, too. As a matter of fact, one of my college friends is getting married this summer and has asked me to be a groomsman.
Now I'm a grad student at a public university. The other grad students I meet tend to be very down-to-earth, regular people. The undergrads I see, though, take me right back to college. The few undergrad friends that I have say that this school (UVa) is known for being snobby.
I guess my point is that though the Ivy League may be a big snob convention, snobs are at other schools, too.
Going to Penn was an experience both scholastically and in our peer groups. Graduation was good too because the rich guys were plentiful...
Yeah there were plenty rich folks there like Trump's kids and the Prince of Saudi along with regular guys like myself who could care less about the rich guys. I did learn to think outside the box and during graduation the limos were lined up like airport cabbies. Great sites and good education...I paid for the entire tuition. I achieved a Masters outside the Ivy in a regular state college which I enjoyed just as much as Penn. I didn't want to be anything but what I was capable of performing so as far as snobs go in an Ivy school, I didn't see any but I'm sure they were present somewhere.
I was trying to be a bit funny but o well, my point is why don't you stay at top tier school ? for example, do you have many Ivy graduates around you? my guess is most of your Ivy friends like to stay at top schools.
I can understand there is this prof at UVa you want to work with, but there's gotta be a better professor doing same/similar work at a top tier school. why settle at UVa? is it because you applied to top tier school and got rejected?
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No, I didn't fail any courses. I'm not sure what made you think so...
