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Keep in mind though that those schools may offer scholarships to kids from other states to get a better mix of students. I doubt there are a lot of kids from Connecticut or the northeast applying to those schools. A couple kids I know got a minimum of $11,000 per year and I can’t say they were very smart (average SAT’s, decent but not great grades, nothing great for extra curriculums). You don’t know until you apply and get accepted. College placement specialists will recommend students in the northeast apply to schools in the west and Midwest to save money. Schools in those areas are not necessarily popular with northeastern kids. Good luck, Jay
It is generally harder for an Out of State student to get into Berkeley or UCLA and has been that way for years. In-State applicants are always given preference.
Almost all states are going to charge non-resident tuition if you are applying from out of state. Typically you have to live in state for one year before applying as a new student to get in state tuition. Some schools may offer extremely well qualified out of state students in state tuition via a grant or scholarship or something similar.
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Thanks - I think for my daughter, the biggest drawback is the location - she definitely would prefer a more urban/suburban location.
UConn is $30,000 or so in state, before any merit/honors scholarships. UVa, UM, UCLA and UCB are $55,000 to $65,000 for out of state. And, at least for the UC schools, even if we moved to California, we'd still have to pay out of state tuition since she'd be applying from Connecticut. Not sure if Michigan, Virginia or UNC-Chapel Hill have similar rules about moving into the state. On the plus side, the UC schools have a better acceptance rate out of state versus in state (UCLA was 22% out of state accepted, but 6% in state, for example)
There is so much more to look at than SAT’s. UVA and Chapel Hill are amongst the best public universities in the country. UConn is a good state school. Virginia and UNC-CH are great state schools.
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I don't know if I'd say UNC-Chapel Hill or UVa are off the charts - average SAT at UVA is 1365 and UNC-CH is 1347 according to prepscholar.com. UConn is 1270 this year and was 1300 last year.
Keep in mind though that those schools may offer scholarships to kids from other states to get a better mix of students. I doubt there are a lot of kids from Connecticut or the northeast applying to those schools. A couple kids I know got a minimum of $11,000 per year and I can’t say they were very smart (average SAT’s, decent but not great grades, nothing great for extra curriculums). You don’t know until you apply and get accepted. College placement specialists will recommend students in the northeast apply to schools in the west and Midwest to save money. Schools in those areas are not necessarily popular with northeastern kids. Good luck, Jay
Huh? New England has superlative private colleges, beyond a doubt...but guess what, that also means $$$. New England's public universities are not on par with the likes of Univ of Michigan, Univ of Wisconsin, UNC, etc. by numerous metrics (e.g. research grants). And yes, there are many from the Northeast that do apply to those schools. They may not end up going there in favor of staying close to home.
It is generally harder for an Out of State student to get into Berkeley or UCLA and has been that way for years. In-State applicants are always given preference.
The UC schools are required by state law to accept a certain percentage of in-state applicants. However, both Berkeley and UCLA get away with accepting a little bit lower percentage of in-state applicants - though, it's still 65% to 70% in state at both schools, compared to 80% or higher at UCSD, UCI, UCSB, etc.
However, strictly speaking, the percentage chance for an out of state student to get into Berkeley or UCLA is higher than an in state student because of the sheer number of applications they get in state.
Last year, according to their own website, UCLA accepted 22% of out of state applicants vs 6% of in state applicants. Of course, they probably get 85,000 in state applicants and maybe 15,000 out of state and 15,000 international applicants.
Almost all states are going to charge non-resident tuition if you are applying from out of state. Typically you have to live in state for one year before applying as a new student to get in state tuition. Some schools may offer extremely well qualified out of state students in state tuition via a grant or scholarship or something similar.
Supposedly, it's nearly impossible for out-of-state students to get any merit-based financial aid at the University of California schools
The UC schools are required by state law to accept a certain percentage of in-state applicants. However, both Berkeley and UCLA get away with accepting a little bit lower percentage of in-state applicants - though, it's still 65% to 70% in state at both schools, compared to 80% or higher at UCSD, UCI, UCSB, etc.
However, strictly speaking, the percentage chance for an out of state student to get into Berkeley or UCLA is higher than an in state student because of the sheer number of applications they get in state.
Last year, according to their own website, UCLA accepted 22% of out of state applicants vs 6% of in state applicants. Of course, they probably get 85,000 in state applicants and maybe 15,000 out of state and 15,000 international applicants.
Interesting, it seems the script has flipped a bit since I was applying to colleges (~6 years ago). These are the only two source I found that mention IS vs OOS acceptance rates at Cal: https://blog.collegevine.com/what-is...-requirements/ & https://www.forbes.com/sites/kristen.../#fdd60d3527bd (scroll to first graphic). Seems like OOS is still more selective on a percent admitted basis (although only marginally). I think this trend of increasing OOS admission rates has to do with covering the lack of funding by increasing revenue through tuition (OOS pay significantly more per capita on tuition)
It would be interesting to see the student profile comparisons for in-state vs out of state admits, as the OOS applicant pool is likely more self selecting for schools like Cal and UCLA (suggesting a more competitive profile for the typical OOS applicant, which may still translate to a higher barrier to entry despite a higher admit rate for OOS at UCLA).
Supposedly, it's nearly impossible for out-of-state students to get any merit-based financial aid at the University of California schools
This is true. I know regents scholars get some merit aid (a measly $2,500 per year IIRC) and I only know of a handful of OOS regents admits from Cal. I think Cal only admits a few hundred each year in total (in-state + out of state), many of which I am sure they lose out to schools like HYPSM and equivalent.
This is true. I know regents scholars get some merit aid (a measly $2,500 per year IIRC) and I only know of a handful of OOS regents admits from Cal. I think Cal only admits a few hundred each year in total (in-state + out of state), many of which I am sure they lose out to schools like HYPSM and equivalent.
Cal is now just about 25% non-resident students. There has been a shift towards accepting more out of state students as the almost $25K annual non-resident tuition surcharge helps defer the cost for in-state students.
Huh? New England has superlative private colleges, beyond a doubt...but guess what, that also means $$$. New England's public universities are not on par with the likes of Univ of Michigan, Univ of Wisconsin, UNC, etc. by numerous metrics (e.g. research grants). And yes, there are many from the Northeast that do apply to those schools. They may not end up going there in favor of staying close to home.
IMHO, the New England public schools aren't as "prestigious" as some of the other states but I believe that is due to the overwhelming number of excellent private schools in the area. Outside of New England, the big state U's are where you go as they are often the top school in the state.
And yes, plenty of kids in the Northeast apply to those schools. There is a competition among the 50-99 ranked private schools around the country that want to get those kids from the Northeast. It adds prestige to them if they can convince a kid that could go to Conn College or Trinity to come to St. Olaf or Wheaton IL.
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