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This kind 80-yr-old man posed no threat to officers whatsoever, but was executed because cops thought they smelled “meth” coming from the house.
They performed a no-knock raid after “meth” was smelled outside.
Making matters worse, police reports then claimed that they told Eugene to “drop a gun” before killing him.
But the recording of the incident reveals that that was a lie.
I feel safer already, don't you?
This actually happened in March, but yes it is a very sad and scary story. They shot him with a submachine gun, for God's sake. Per the article in "The Economist" the cop did say drop the gun, but AFTER he had already shot the guy, who never even moved from his bed. The article went on to point to several areas of blame, but I found this particularly interesting:
"Second, the war on drugs creates perverse incentives. When the police find assets that they suspect are the proceeds of crime, they can seize them. Under civil asset-forfeiture rules, they do not have to prove that a crime was committed—they can grab first and let the owners sue to get their stuff back. The police can meanwhile use the money to beef up their own budgets, buying faster patrol cars or computers. All this gives them a powerful incentive to focus on drug crimes, which generate lots of cash, rather than, say, rape, which does not. This is outrageous. Citizens should not forfeit their property unless convicted of a crime; and the proceeds should fund the state as a whole, not the arm that does the grabbing."
They also blamed the "militarization" of local police departments thanks to substantial available funds after 9/11 that allowed police departments to buy ridiculous army-type weapons and vehicles they will probably never legitimately need. Law enforcement in the United States: Armed and dangerous | The Economist
Well, if you don't actually USE those military weapons and tactics, then they go to waste.
Cops have to have something to do!
And don't forget they had an "expert" tell them there was meth being cooked inside.
Just because the witness was one of their own doesn't make him less an expert. What more do you want?
Cops never would lie about a shooting! What would they have to gain?
What else would you expect? After all, you can't have 10-20 cops surveil the home, wait till they know that no one inside is dangerous, show up wearing helmets and armor during the day, surround the house - and just KNOCK ON THE DOOR. What fun would that be?
These cops are just trying to even the tally of black to white so that they look better in the press.
That old man was an engineer. He could have had a diabolical device in the home that would have swolled those cops whole - they had to take him by surprise.
It not like they could have gone to see the local cop and found out ANYTHING about who lived in the home and REASONED that it would be easier just to ask questions.
It's not like anyone in the community actually knew the man - he was probably a stranger so they had no way of knowing he was of fine character.
C'mon, meth has a very distinct smell, if it had a common smell like cat urine, rotten eggs, sewer gas, ether, wet diapers, paint thinners, paint removers, adhesives, cleaning fluids, vinegar, pickled foods, cattle feed lots, or fertilizers then the cops wouldn't have been justified in a no-knock.
It's his own fault. The old man should have kept his house cleaner.
The tasks, charter, and goals of the Police and the Military are very distinct and it is time civilian leadership understands this and stops arming the police to the teeth. Contrary to their own beliefs and press, the police are not under siege and need to get back to respecting the civil and property rights of their superiors - THE CITIZENS. This is not Fallugah and we the citizens are not "the Ramadi army."
If you did service in the middle east and did your duty - then thank you - but coming back home to continue your military career is not what we need. We need POLICE with a policing mentality - not military.
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A simple solution to cases like this: Drop the exhorbitantly expensive and highly ineffective War on Drugs. There is absolutely no reason to support this stupidity anymore. If someone supplies drugs to a minor, I'm all for tossing them under the jail. However, if they are supplying drugs to consenting adults we need to leave them alone and let Darwin's law work.
a simple solution to cases like this: Drop the exhorbitantly expensive and highly ineffective war on drugs. There is absolutely no reason to support this stupidity anymore. If someone supplies drugs to a minor, i'm all for tossing them under the jail. However, if they are supplying drugs to consenting adults we need to leave them alone and let darwin's law work.
A simple solution to cases like this: Drop the exhorbitantly expensive and highly ineffective War on Drugs. There is absolutely no reason to support this stupidity anymore. If someone supplies drugs to a minor, I'm all for tossing them under the jail. However, if they are supplying drugs to consenting adults we need to leave them alone and let Darwin's law work.
I only agree because it's pretty much a fake effort right now.
This actually happened in March, but yes it is a very sad and scary story. They shot him with a submachine gun, for God's sake. Per the article in "The Economist" the cop did say drop the gun, but AFTER he had already shot the guy, who never even moved from his bed. The article went on to point to several areas of blame, but I found this particularly interesting:
"Second, the war on drugs creates perverse incentives. When the police find assets that they suspect are the proceeds of crime, they can seize them. Under civil asset-forfeiture rules, they do not have to prove that a crime was committed—they can grab first and let the owners sue to get their stuff back. The police can meanwhile use the money to beef up their own budgets, buying faster patrol cars or computers. All this gives them a powerful incentive to focus on drug crimes, which generate lots of cash, rather than, say, rape, which does not. This is outrageous. Citizens should not forfeit their property unless convicted of a crime; and the proceeds should fund the state as a whole, not the arm that does the grabbing."
They also blamed the "militarization" of local police departments thanks to substantial available funds after 9/11 that allowed police departments to buy ridiculous army-type weapons and vehicles they will probably never legitimately need. Law enforcement in the United States: Armed and dangerous | The Economist
I keep wondering how long it will take the public to grasp that the decades-long failed "war on drugs" is a catch-all excuse for police/government excess.
It's a war on the public, and we all pay the bill.
I keep wondering how long it will take the public to grasp that the decades-long failed "war on drugs" is a catch-all excuse for police/government excess.
It's a war on the public, and we all pay the bill.
Well, if you don't actually USE those military weapons and tactics, then they go to waste.
Cops have to have something to do!
And don't forget they had an "expert" tell them there was meth being cooked inside.
Just because the witness was one of their own doesn't make him less an expert. What more do you want?
Cops never would lie about a shooting! What would they have to gain?
What else would you expect? After all, you can't have 10-20 cops surveil the home, wait till they know that no one inside is dangerous, show up wearing helmets and armor during the day, surround the house - and just KNOCK ON THE DOOR. What fun would that be?
These cops are just trying to even the tally of black to white so that they look better in the press.
That old man was an engineer. He could have had a diabolical device in the home that would have swolled those cops whole - they had to take him by surprise.
It not like they could have gone to see the local cop and found out ANYTHING about who lived in the home and REASONED that it would be easier just to ask questions.
It's not like anyone in the community actually knew the man - he was probably a stranger so they had no way of knowing he was of fine character.
C'mon, meth has a very distinct smell, if it had a common smell like cat urine, rotten eggs, sewer gas, ether, wet diapers, paint thinners, paint removers, adhesives, cleaning fluids, vinegar, pickled foods, cattle feed lots, or fertilizers then the cops wouldn't have been justified in a no-knock.
It's his own fault. The old man should have kept his house cleaner.
The tasks, charter, and goals of the Police and the Military are very distinct and it is time civilian leadership understands this and stops arming the police to the teeth. Contrary to their own beliefs and press, the police are not under siege and need to get back to respecting the civil and property rights of their superiors - THE CITIZENS. This is not Fallugah and we the citizens are not "the Ramadi army."
If you did service in the middle east and did your duty - then thank you - but coming back home to continue your military career is not what we need. We need POLICE with a policing mentality - not military.
Lol I see I'm not the only one who googled "what does meth smell like"
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The article went on to point to several areas of blame, but I found this particularly interesting: 
