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Old 05-28-2015, 03:22 PM
 
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Not that you care or actually wonder, because like so many others, I can see through the watery guise, however:

BLM isn't because whites are killing blacks or black lives > all lives.

It's because people in authoritative positions are killing unarmed people, who happen to be mostly black.

Notice there aren't protests, riots, etc., when Joe Schmo in Alabama is accused of a hate crime against a black person. It's when Joe Schmo the police officer from Alabama shoots and kills an unarmed black person.

BLM is no different a campaign than Breast Cancer Awareness Month in October. Almost every month is dedicated to some form of cancer, but breast cancer is the one that gets the most attention. Can you name the month cervical cancer awareness falls under? What about liver? Didn't think so. But everyone can name when Breast Cancer Awareness Month is, especially if they are fans of the NFL.

Does this mean that other forms of cancer aren't important or less important? No, there happens to be a spike in awareness/interest based on specific criteria or circumstances. No different than #BLM.

FYI, not all protesters in the movement are black. Shocking.


Amazing this has to be broken down to crumbs for adults.
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Definitely, I and everyone else can see the games being played.

At least we can maybe finally talk about real crime reduction policies and get a Movement to get those places some help.


I'd vote for some rural areas too. Any place that needs a hand up. I believe we need sustainable investment, supported by the people and ultimately owned by the people to have real success.
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Old 05-29-2015, 05:50 AM
 
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Not that you care or actually wonder, because like so many others, I can see through the watery guise, however:

BLM isn't because whites are killing blacks or black lives > all lives.

It's because people in authoritative positions are killing unarmed people, who happen to be mostly black.

Notice there aren't protests, riots, etc., when Joe Schmo in Alabama is accused of a hate crime against a black person. It's when Joe Schmo the police officer from Alabama shoots and kills an unarmed black person.
The question is why doesn't black lives matter INCLUDE blacks killing blacks? Why does a black person being killed by police matter more than a black person being killed by another black person? Why does the killing of maybe a dozen or two blacks by police take precedence over the killing of THOUSANDS of blacks by their fellow blacks? 'Black lives matter' rings pretty hollow when you only care when police kill blacks without caring just as much if not moreso of the MASSIVE problem of black on black murder.


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BLM is no different a campaign than Breast Cancer Awareness Month in October. Almost every month is dedicated to some form of cancer, but breast cancer is the one that gets the most attention. Can you name the month cervical cancer awareness falls under? What about liver? Didn't think so. But everyone can name when Breast Cancer Awareness Month is, especially if they are fans of the NFL.

Does this mean that other forms of cancer aren't important or less important? No, there happens to be a spike in awareness/interest based on specific criteria or circumstances. No different than #BLM.
Maybe part of the reason why breast cancer awareness gets more attention is because its the leading cancer in the US compared to cervical or other cancers for women? In 2011 41,000 women died from breast cancer compared to 4,100 who died from cervical cancer. So it seems like people have the priority straight in putting it in the spotlight more often.

Compare that to blacks who care more about the dozen or who two die at the hands of police than they do about the THOUSANDS who die at the hands of their fellow blacks. No one is saying that police killing blacks isn't a significant issue, but it PALES in comparison to the much larger problem of black on black crime and murder, so you would think black people would give that issue more of their time and energy. But that isn't the case and we see FAR MORE coverage of every single police/black person incident than we EVER do of daily murders of blacks by other blacks.

10 blacks murdered on a summer weekend in Chicago and its simply business as usual and not one peep from blacks. 10 blacks killed in a weekend across the US by police? We'll have protests and riots around the country that would make the Baltimore protests seem like nothing. That's black logic for you. >_>
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Old 05-29-2015, 05:56 AM
 
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The question is why doesn't black lives matter INCLUDE blacks killing blacks? Why does a black person being killed by police matter more than a black person being killed by another black person? Why does the killing of maybe a dozen or two blacks by police take precedence over the killing of THOUSANDS of blacks by their fellow blacks? 'Black lives matter' rings pretty hollow when you only care when police kill blacks without caring just as much if not moreso of the MASSIVE problem of black on black murder.


Maybe part of the reason why breast cancer awareness gets more attention is because its the leading cancer in the US compared to cervical or other cancers for women? In 2011 41,000 women died from breast cancer compared to 4,100 who died from cervical cancer. So it seems like people have the priority straight in putting it in the spotlight more often.

Compare that to blacks who care more about the dozen or who two die at the hands of police than they do about the THOUSANDS who die at the hands of their fellow blacks. No one is saying that police killing blacks isn't a significant issue, but it PALES in comparison to the much larger problem of black on black crime and murder, so you would think black people would give that issue more of their time and energy. But that isn't the case and we see FAR MORE coverage of every single police/black person incident than we EVER do of daily murders of blacks by other blacks.

10 blacks murdered on a summer weekend in Chicago and its simply business as usual and not one peep from blacks. 10 blacks killed in a weekend across the US by police? We'll have protests and riots around the country that would make the Baltimore protests seem like nothing. That's black logic for you. >_>
Because BlackLivesMatter didn't start The Movement. Media co-opt. The media is getting rich.


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Old 05-29-2015, 06:05 AM
 
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Interestingly enough, that thread has 3 pages.
Sad isn't it ? Something that will effect our nation for generations get's nothing, while the Duggars and Kardashians get all the attention. As much as I hate the direction society, and our country is headed...the blame lands on us.
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Old 05-29-2015, 06:07 AM
 
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I know. It's frustrating. Especially when you see how FEW of those ignorant people there really are that are influencing the masses.


I started a thread about the BlackLivesMatter/Tidal attempted co-opt of The Movement.

BLACKLIVESMATTER DID NOT START #THEMOVEMENT Taking Back the Radio started #TheMovement. Deray is a piece of sh__ and nobody respects him yet the media ONLY shows him and BlackLivesMatter on tv. How the group can speak on something they never started blows my mind.



It's strategic. I'm 100% convinced. We are all being fooled.
To an extent, there are some serious issues in our country that just will not be focused on, I'll just leave it at that.
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Old 05-29-2015, 06:20 AM
 
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To an extent, there are some serious issues in our country that just will not be focused on, I'll just leave it at that.
It's the media.


Think who owns the media. You can't even get paid through media in the traditional formats without going through the media.


They're controlling the information that the masses see. I'm sure of this.
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Old 05-29-2015, 09:21 AM
 
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It's the media.


Think who owns the media. You can't even get paid through media in the traditional formats without going through the media.


They're controlling the information that the masses see. I'm sure of this.
I do agree, the media is definitely manipulating the things we are seeing. And in many cases, particularly those that do with violence in the inner cities (black , white, latino, gangs etc) they down play it.
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Old 05-29-2015, 02:22 PM
 
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The question is why doesn't black lives matter INCLUDE blacks killing blacks? Why does a black person being killed by police matter more than a black person being killed by another black person? Why does the killing of maybe a dozen or two blacks by police take precedence over the killing of THOUSANDS of blacks by their fellow blacks? 'Black lives matter' rings pretty hollow when you only care when police kill blacks without caring just as much if not moreso of the MASSIVE problem of black on black murder.


Maybe part of the reason why breast cancer awareness gets more attention is because its the leading cancer in the US compared to cervical or other cancers for women? In 2011 41,000 women died from breast cancer compared to 4,100 who died from cervical cancer. So it seems like people have the priority straight in putting it in the spotlight more often.

Compare that to blacks who care more about the dozen or who two die at the hands of police than they do about the THOUSANDS who die at the hands of their fellow blacks. No one is saying that police killing blacks isn't a significant issue, but it PALES in comparison to the much larger problem of black on black crime and murder, so you would think black people would give that issue more of their time and energy. But that isn't the case and we see FAR MORE coverage of every single police/black person incident than we EVER do of daily murders of blacks by other blacks.

10 blacks murdered on a summer weekend in Chicago and its simply business as usual and not one peep from blacks. 10 blacks killed in a weekend across the US by police? We'll have protests and riots around the country that would make the Baltimore protests seem like nothing. That's black logic for you. >_>

We should first begin with the fact that we kill each other equally as much as our black brothers and sisters. There has always been more white on white homicide and crime throughout our nation. Yet we never hear the term white on white crime. This crap is fed to us on a silver spoon and like most we eat it up. We present a group with blatant inequality yet if they cry foul; we want them to suck it up or we answer their question with a question.

Unfortunately each of us play a MAJOR role in the matter. Blacks as well their leadership and us (European-American,Asians, etc) to most certainly include our leadership, marketing, and instabilities with inequalities.

Anyone ever ponder why blacks are not afraid of us? Because they grew up with us. Meaning they have seen us everyday, most every movie, television series, cartoon, commercial,and news outlet.
Most do not know much about blacks outside the jaded media view, unsavory comments from family members, grandparents, neighbors etc. We rarely see them on television, ads, movies (leading roles) and outside of sports we rarely hear of the advances, inventions,intelligence and historic breakthroughs.

Naturally people fear the unknown, thus I suggest you get to know others personally and minus the pathetic stereotypes.
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Old 05-29-2015, 02:35 PM
 
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If you get rid of guns, criminals will just use knives. The Swiss have the highest per capita gun ownership and their violent crime is very low. Clearly guns are not the real issue.
None of this is true. The Swiss have very strict gun laws, and low gun ownership.

If the U.S. had laws like the Swiss, the NRA and all the Rambo crazies would wage a revolution, unfortunately. In Switzerland you basically need to be in the military or a military veteran to own a gun, and you have to keep your firearm under lock and key. And regular handguns are almost unknown.

The U.S. is the only developed country with a crazy high violent crime rate, and the only developed country on earth with lax gun laws. Obviously the two are connected, given that crime in the U.S. isn't higher than in other countries (in fact nonviolent crime is usually higher in Western Europe and other developed parts of the world); it's only gun-related violent crime that is out of control in the U.S.
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Old 05-29-2015, 05:05 PM
 
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None of this is true. The Swiss have very strict gun laws, and low gun ownership.

If the U.S. had laws like the Swiss, the NRA and all the Rambo crazies would wage a revolution, unfortunately. In Switzerland you basically need to be in the military or a military veteran to own a gun, and you have to keep your firearm under lock and key. And regular handguns are almost unknown.

The U.S. is the only developed country with a crazy high violent crime rate, and the only developed country on earth with lax gun laws. Obviously the two are connected, given that crime in the U.S. isn't higher than in other countries (in fact nonviolent crime is usually higher in Western Europe and other developed parts of the world); it's only gun-related violent crime that is out of control in the U.S.
The Czech Republic allows conceal carry. Carrying a gun in the Czech Republic for self-defense is allowed. There is no limited on the number of firearms you can own.

Czech Republic has a murder rate of 1 murder per 100,000.

I don't think strict gun laws will work.
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