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Old 09-22-2015, 06:33 PM
 
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The TSA agent sounded very crass: "If you are a man, then go back in the machine and we'll run you as a man." and that was followed by "If you don't want to be run as a man, we'll have to search you. Are you a man or a woman?"

The issue I see here is not the fact that she identifies as a woman while still having a penis, but the rude reaction/response from the TSA agent. She's not just some dude in a dress, and transgenderism is something has existed for a very long time. It's not something that was concocted on a whim.



Oh! I beg to differ. That's exactly what "he" is a dude in a dress. Fact!
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Old 09-22-2015, 06:39 PM
 
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Personally I think it is terrible. It is becoming more of the norm and I think people need to start accepting there are people who fit into this category. Young teens often commit suicide because they don't feel like they fit in this place where it is clearly defined as male and female. Why can't people be open minded and realize that everything doesn't fit into a neat box. God. Let people be who they want and stop shaming and humiliating them for that choice.

So, I think the security person was ignorant and not culturally aware.
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Old 09-22-2015, 06:40 PM
 
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Personally I think it is terrible. It is becoming more of the norm and I think people need to start accepting there are people who fit into this category. Young teens often commit suicide because they don't feel like they fit in this place where it is clearly defined as male and female. Why can't people be open minded and realize that everything doesn't fit into a neat box. God. Let people be who they want and stop shaming and humiliating them for that choice.

Why can't there be another choice?
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Old 09-22-2015, 06:44 PM
 
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It is now possible in several states and or local areas to obtain a drivers license or locally issued ID based upon gender "identity" rather than what is below the waist. Ditto for a US passport since the Obama administration changed rules. Thus it is very possible for someone to present ID that says "female" and may even convincingly look as one, however when the required scanning/pat down is done.....

The trans should have just gotten over it; things are what they are and the guard had job to do. The guy doesn't know what is down there and has to deal with various rules, regulations and various "feel good" policies designed so the often offended, aren't.

It is not unheard of for female (real) to smuggle contraband via the vaginal orifice. The guard saw something that shouldn't have been there on a normal female. Now if this were a real woman and she had a vary large sanitary pad that slipped or god only knows what else that could have been explained and female officer would search. OTOH again for various reasons mentioned already if this is a biological male a female guard may balk at getting all up close with his junk. Bottom line the law requires TSA agents to search and that is what they are going to do.
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Old 09-22-2015, 06:53 PM
 
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I thought it worked like this: you need to see a doctor and get a psychological evaluation before you are legally a transgender otherwise calling yourself a transgender does not have any legal grounds in situations such as this or determining basic things such as which restroom you should be using.

So if she/he has not been legally declared a transgender then she/he should have went through with the standard male evaluation as law would dictate. If, however, she/he has been legally declared a transgender and the TSA agents refused to let her/him go through as a woman, it's a lawsuit.
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Old 09-22-2015, 07:13 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Personally I think it is terrible. It is becoming more of the norm and I think people need to start accepting there are people who fit into this category. Young teens often commit suicide because they don't feel like they fit in this place where it is clearly defined as male and female. Why can't people be open minded and realize that everything doesn't fit into a neat box. God. Let people be who they want and stop shaming and humiliating them for that choice.

So, I think the security person was ignorant and not culturally aware.
How would you deal with the situation and not risk any security violation?
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Old 09-22-2015, 07:17 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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I thought it worked like this: you need to see a doctor and get a psychological evaluation before you are legally a transgender otherwise calling yourself a transgender does not have any legal grounds in situations such as this or determining basic things such as which restroom you should be using.

So if she/he has not been legally declared a transgender then she/he should have went through with the standard male evaluation as law would dictate. If, however, she/he has been legally declared a transgender and the TSA agents refused to let her/him go through as a woman, it's a lawsuit.
TSA did not deny that right to her, they rang her as a female through the scanner, they were willing to assign a female agent to perform a pat down test as she would do to any female.
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Old 09-22-2015, 07:22 PM
 
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TSA did not deny that right to her, they rang her as a female through the scanner, they were willing to assign a female agent to perform a pat down test as she would do to any female.
Then she's just attention whoring. Sad really as people like that would give legitimate transgenders a bad reputation.
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Old 09-22-2015, 07:29 PM
 
Location: Milwaukee, WI
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Then she's just attention whoring. Sad really as people like that would give legitimate transgenders a bad reputation.
Not necessarily, she might be really just upset with the whole incident, so she shared her story. But there isn't no ground for a legal action (unless there was something else)

I wouldn't question her legitimacy as being a legitimate transgender though
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Old 09-22-2015, 08:06 PM
 
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Personally I think it is terrible. It is becoming more of the norm and I think people need to start accepting there are people who fit into this category. Young teens often commit suicide because they don't feel like they fit in this place where it is clearly defined as male and female. Why can't people be open minded and realize that everything doesn't fit into a neat box. God. Let people be who they want and stop shaming and humiliating them for that choice.

So, I think the security person was ignorant and not culturally aware.

I think [the majority of] people realize that transgender people are real. It's quite obvious that they are. (Personally, I think transgender people's feelings are valid. It's just that their feelings don't match reality--it's a mental problem.)

The problems arise when transgender people don't see the reality of their situation--and when other people support their false reality. Their situation is that they are biologically a certain gender, and that biology comes with certain rules (TSA, restrooms, etc).

There will be fewer problems if transgender people are given proper mental health support, so that they can truly deal with their reality. Pretending that this psychosis is normal isn't helping anyone.
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