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Old 09-29-2015, 08:26 AM
 
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And did he have to act? We don't know that he did. He could have got in his car and driven away ... which he did anyway.
He had no way of knowing whether the thugs might come after him next, so he decided to take pro-active defensive action.

Yes, a fellow got shot in the head but would anybody be complaining if he drowned in a swimming pool?
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Old 09-29-2015, 08:30 AM
 
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He had no way of knowing whether the thugs might come after him next, so he decided to take pro-active defensive action.

Yes, a fellow got shot in the head but would anybody be complaining if he drowned in a swimming pool?
You can't just run around shooting people because you think they "might" attack you.

Also, "swimming pool", WTF? What are you even talking about?
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Old 09-29-2015, 08:33 AM
 
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There's another aspect of this that is being overlooked. The good guy with the gun had no way of knowing whether the thugs would come after him next. So he was left in a "fight 'em over there vs. fight 'em over here" situation. Under those circumstances his decision to go ahead and take them down looks pretty smart.

It's easy for us to sit here and armchair quarterback this situation but this man had to act under tremendous pressure.
Only if he had a better truck.

No, he was not in such a situation--he was not a target, and if the thugs failed on their first target he had plenty of time to react to whatever else they would do (which would likely have been to run away). In that time, he should have first been calling 911, inasmuch as no shots were being fired and he wasn't even personally involved.

The big problem here is that he hadn't really thought any further than "taking out the bad guys" in any scenario.
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Old 09-29-2015, 09:04 AM
 
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As a CHL holder, I can tell you right now that I'm not about to get into a gun fight to stop some property crime going on at a gas station. I think that holds true with most CHL holders. My guess is that the shooter didn't even have a CHL.

That being said, it's hard to say what I may have done in this situation. According to some reports, the carjacking suspects were beating the vehicle owner. Now, hypothetically, if the crooks were attacking the man with something like a bat or tire iron, I could see how some people might say you should intervene if you are armed and feel the victim's life might be in danger.

Did the "good guy" yell at the men to stop the beating? Did he first fire a warning shot in the air (which I'm not saying is what should have been done)? Well, we know very little about the situation.

At this time, the reports simply say a man was being beaten as carjackers demand his keys. Another person fired shots and the victim was struck in the head. The shooter picked up his shell casings and fled the scene. Everything else is conjecture.

Technically, we don't even know if this "good guy" was even a "good guy". Is it possible he was part of the robbery as a lookout and then shot at the victim when the victim began to fight back? Sure, that is possible.

I think this thread and a lot of the statements made on it are fairly asinine since we have so little information.

Carry on.
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Old 09-29-2015, 09:16 AM
 
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I'm pro gun and not even sure I can get on board with this.


He intervened and shot the victim in the head and you want to give him a high five?
So true....ALWAYS know your target before putting finger on trigger. KNOW what is in front and what is behind target. Never place your finger on trigger unless you have a clean shot.

And, like another poster said: this is not a paper target at a range with a bullet collector behind the target.

Real life and range are not the same. The "helper" needs to be charged. This is more than a negligent discharge

And, YES, I AM PRO GUN!!
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Old 09-29-2015, 09:25 AM
 
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Hey, what that on the ground? Is that a CHERRY....maybe you should PICK it up...



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Old 09-29-2015, 10:02 AM
 
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He had no way of knowing whether the thugs might come after him next, so he decided to take pro-active defensive action.
"Pro-active defensive action"? I hope you're not a defense lawyer.

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Yes, a fellow got shot in the head but would anybody be complaining if he drowned in a swimming pool?
OK, you are having us on now. Nicely done. Poe's Law strikes again.
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Old 09-29-2015, 10:05 AM
 
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If the victim had been carrying, the whole incident could have been averted.
He could have defended himself against the guy firing at him?
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Old 09-29-2015, 10:07 AM
 
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Technically, we don't even know if this "good guy" was even a "good guy". Is it possible he was part of the robbery as a lookout and then shot at the victim when the victim began to fight back? Sure, that is possible..
Hmmm.
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Old 09-29-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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We don't even know if the shooter was part of the group that jacked the truck!
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