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Actually, it doesn't seem at all likely to anyone with even half a clue. First, it would gain Turkey nothing. Second, it would violate the Montreaux Convention. Third, Turkey - not NATO - controls the Turkish Straits. Fourth, it would be a political and economic disaster for the Turks.
I can't fully agree with you. First off Turkey can shut the straights to any foreign power it is at war with or threatened by, according to the MC articles 21 and 22 I believe. Turkey being part of NATO is relevant as they can be pressured by NATO to take certain actions and I think they would regardless of losses in any form. Take a look at what is happening to Ukraines economy. What there is left of it.
It would be to the advantage of the western antagonists in this to do such a thing as Russian ships coming through the straights are part of the supply line to Syria. Ammunition is not something that is practical to transport in aircraft, ships work much better for that.
How would it hurt Turkey politically? Turkish?Russian relations are on the rocks as we speak and the western powers would certainly not frown on it.
I suggest you get a clue yourself. I consider it likely for good reason.
I can't fully agree with you. First off Turkey can shut the straights to any foreign power it is at war with or threatened by, according to the MC articles 21 and 22 I believe. Turkey being part of NATO is relevant as they can be pressured by NATO to take certain actions and I think they would regardless of losses in any form. Take a look at what is happening to Ukraines economy. What there is left of it.
It would be to the advantage of the western antagonists in this to do such a thing as Russian ships coming through the straights are part of the supply line to Syria. Ammunition is not something that is practical to transport in aircraft, ships work much better for that.
How would it hurt Turkey politically? Turkish?Russian relations are on the rocks as we speak and the western powers would certainly not frown on it.
I suggest you get a clue yourself. I consider it likely for good reason.
Russia has excellent heavy lift capabilities and moving ammunition isn't a big deal for them. You are forgetting that the armed forces of the major powers calculate and plan for moving materiel without the use of ships for everything but the heaviest armor and even that can be airlifted.
Ships are slow, easily targeted and when lost can represent far more capabilities down the drain which is why heavy lift capabilities is so central to military capacities to wage war.
Unless the conflict is near a beach, the ammunition has to get moved via land or air transport somehow. The days of sending a million troops all needing ammunition have been over for some time. So are the days of saturation bombing or saturation artillery fire, everything is pretty much precision targeted now. What used to take a barrage of artillery is now accomplished with very few shots.
Friedman sounds like a dope. Just calling things what they are.
I guess that's why he has won the Pulitzer Prize three times, as many as any journalist on earth?
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Russia has already cut ISIS Oil funding in half. From $3 Million a day to $1.5 Million
(while Turkey, Saudi, US and Israel have been supporting the Arming and Funding of ISIS)
LOL! You must be a Russian troll. Putin is allied with Assad, and hasn't even been bombing ISIS.
And yeah, it makes a lot of sense for Israel and the U.S. to be "arming and funding" Islamic terrorists like ISIS. I hear Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny are involved too!
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Russia has grounded Turkey's (US Proxy) F-16 adventures into Syria (S-400s will knock them down).
Russia is making gains on the Ground with the legit Syrian Army.
Looking ahead, ISIS will likely be shoved into Iraq -- where the US can deal with them . . . or continue to Arm and Fund them . . . or not.
LOL to all this. There is no "Syrian army". You made that up. There are about 15 separate armies in Syria.
Turkey is a powerful country on its own, not a U.S. proxy (but of course the idiot Putin blames everything on the U.S.). Turkey has no "adventures" in Syria.
Russia has no "gains". Syria is a graveyard for Russian young men, for Russia's international standing, and for the Russian economy.
They have hundreds of dead Russian men being sent home in bodybags, as they seek to defend the butcher Assad and his allies in ISIS. The Russian economy is collapsing, and now smaller than even that of Australia or Italy. Syria is another Afghanistan for Russia.
Friedman sounds like a dope. Just calling things what they are.
Russia has already cut ISIS Oil funding in half. From $3 Million a day to $1.5 Million
(while Turkey, Saudi, US and Israel have been supporting the Arming and Funding of ISIS)
Russia has grounded Turkey's (US Proxy) F-16 adventures into Syria (S-400s will knock them down).
Russia is making gains on the Ground with the legit Syrian Army.
Looking ahead, ISIS will likely be shoved into Iraq -- where the US can deal with them . . . or continue to Arm and Fund them . . . or not.
It's a rehash of the recent Bolton piece in the NYT where the US wants a carve-out of a Sunni state from Iraq and Syria to conserve the gains made by ISIS. In it, Friedman says that any solution to ISIS must include the governments that created and support ISIS. Essentially, it would be like demanding Nicaragua recognize the Contras as a political party with an autonomous governing region while the Contras are being routed. At least, the Contras had a large constituency of former Nicaraguan military officers. The CIA couldn't find enough Syrian Army defections. Hence, 95% of the rebels are foreign mercenaries.
By the way, Friedman refers to the Baathists leading ISIS. That's the Iraq Islamic State, not ISIS in Syria. He might enjoy this recent story about the US special forces rescuing Baathist leaders of IS in Iraq from the Iraqi government.
Also, it was officially announced today that Montenegro is joining NATO.
Watch for the Kremlin to start demonizing Montenegro as a "terrorist state" and "aligned with ISIS" as it has previously claimed with other Western nations. Putin already started bloviating today against supposedly "evil" Montenegro, out to get the poor, defenseless Russians.
Also, it was officially announced today that Montenegro is joining NATO.
Watch for the Kremlin to start demonizing Montenegro as a "terrorist state" and "aligned with ISIS" as it has previously claimed with other Western nations. Putin already started bloviating today against supposedly "evil" Montenegro, out to get the poor, defenseless Russians.
Indeed.
Montenegro. The size of Connecticut. A smaller populace than Vermont. It doesn't border Russia. It doesn't border a country that borders Russia. It doesn't even border a country that borders a country that borders Russia.
And Putin's throwing a tantrum.
Soon, no doubt, Putin's fanboys be along to parrot their idol's displeasure.
Naw. Just prior US Military. Learned to recognize lies. Especially from "our" side.
Actually we agree on this part. About it being really stupid. But we have some of the dumbest folks in the World between the CIA, NSA, and Mossad.
But here is Gen Westley Clark to 'splain it, if you like.
Turkey is running the Stolen Oil racket from Syria and Northern Iraq.
It is brokered through Israel.
This post brought to you by the Kremlin. 100% garbage response, filled with lies, anti-semitism and severe reading comprehension failures.
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