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Old 10-18-2016, 10:13 PM
 
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Anyway, it seems no one is defending the highschool graduation rate as real but rather recognizing it as faking results to get around federal guidelines. But Obama is touting it as an accomplishment.

Kinda puts a bad taste in your mouth when you know the kids getting "fake passes" are generally poor\minority students.

I mean, rather than address the issue, they are pointing to fake numbers and declaring success regardless of the actual outcome in education and ability to be employable.
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Old 10-18-2016, 11:14 PM
 
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I did not read the article, but I did hear this on the radio. They went on to say that it is only counting rates in years since all states starting reporting the same way - only since about 2010 or 2011. So reaching a "historic" high in this case is just reaching the highest rate since about 2010.
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Old 10-19-2016, 02:34 AM
 
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Too bad 70% of those don't have the basic skills to enter college without remedial classes.
Where did you get that statistic?
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Old 10-19-2016, 06:22 AM
 
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You guys keep mentioning Obama, but it started with George W. and the "No Child Left Behind Act" and has certainly continued with the current administration. Trust me, this is a problem that was propagated by both parties and we are stuck with the results.
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Old 10-19-2016, 06:44 AM
 
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So if the unemployment rate stays at 5% but the labor participation rate goes to 5% then we'll get to see more headlines like this I guess.....

Unemployment rate drops to 5% as job growth surges | MSNBC

Touting the unemployment rate while casually mentioning the participation rate is sleight of hand.

But why do independents like me bother in election years? Political dementia is in full effect.

You didn't address anything I said and you complelty deflected from your comparison claim, I wonder why?
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Old 10-19-2016, 07:16 AM
 
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You didn't address anything I said and you complelty deflected from your comparison claim, I wonder why?
Other posters followed the point. Sorry I cannot help Utah further.
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Old 10-19-2016, 07:18 AM
 
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You guys keep mentioning Obama, but it started with George W. and the "No Child Left Behind Act" and has certainly continued with the current administration. Trust me, this is a problem that was propagated by both parties and we are stuck with the results.
While I don't like NCLB the issue here is that they are cheating to reach the goals and any politician touting it as a success is wrong.

However when teachers have no power over students the goals are generally unfair.
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Old 10-19-2016, 08:01 AM
 
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83% is pathetic. But I guess it's good news because it's not 75%.
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Old 10-19-2016, 08:43 AM
 
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Other posters followed the point. Sorry I cannot help Utah further.
Your claim was the current unemployment rate is often compared to times in which it was measured differently so I asked when that was because since 1945 people not looking for work haven't been counted. So what were you referring to?
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Old 10-19-2016, 10:29 AM
 
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Your claim was the current unemployment rate is often compared to times in which it was measured differently so I asked when that was because since 1945 people not looking for work haven't been counted. So what were you referring to?
Fair enough. I take responsibility for a language failure on my part. My apologies.

The formula hasn't changed but the participation rate which goes into it has.

My point being that not addressing that is a sleight of hand just like they are pulling with graduation rates.

One could argue that not openly addressing the participation rate or citing an on-level rate with participation would be a formula change since in those instances the presenter would be making an uneven comparison as if the participation rate were a constant.
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