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Old 11-02-2016, 09:36 AM
 
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Where there is an issue is whether or not during her play, she won with what would have paid out the 6500 that some people think the casino should give her. In this case, I don't think so. According to the article, her screen displayed icons which would have only paid out $2.25.


"Eyewitness News asked whether the casino can award the max pay-out. The gaming commission says by law it can't do that. She's only entitled to her winning, just $2.25."


Lastly, it is obvious that this was a malfunction due to the amount. Now, if she hit the proper characters to pay out the jackpot and then the casino refuses to pay the jackpot claiming a malfunction, she would have a good argument. For this scenario, she is just looking for a cash grab while trying to pull the heart strings with her troubled upbringing.


""The struggle I've been through, it's hard to cope," said Bookman."


I think a better analogy would be if she went to an ATM and withdrew 40 dollars, but the ATM gave her 400,000 dollars. The ATM had a malfunction and she doesn't get to keep the extra 399,960. Also, the bank wouldn't be required to give her the max withdrawal of an ATM of 300 dollars just for her troubles.
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Old 11-02-2016, 10:35 AM
 
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If there is a way to hack something, someone will eventually do it. I would think just about any electronic like a slot machine could be hacked somehow. But right now there is no intensive to do so. The casino will just call it a malfunction, and give them a steak dinner... If casino's started handing out millions of dollars for machine malfunctions, then you'll get people trying to figure out how to strike it rich.
And that was my point.
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Old 11-02-2016, 10:37 AM
 
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So what about ATM machines? There are millions of them at all sorts of remote locations with lots more buttons than a slot machine, with the tremendous motivation of getting wads of cold hard cash if you can "hack" them. Bring all the tools and equipment you please. Cameras? Yeah right, wear a ski mask and gloves, they can watch you the next day walking away with your money.

And nobody, especially me, said to hand out "millions". I said $1000. You aren't going to have too many people committing felonies for $1000. In a place with roving security and tons of cameras monitored real-time, you aren't going to be hooking up any equipment or have more than a few seconds to do anything funny. Heist and Ocean's Eleven are just movies.
With an ATM, you'd have to figure out how to extract the money. With the slot, you would just have to make it malfunction. HUGE difference.
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Old 11-02-2016, 10:39 AM
 
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Why aren't they "hacking" it now to make it a legitimate jackpot payout?
Seriously? BIG difference between simply making it malfunction, and creating a legitimate jackpot.

I'm not sure why you aren't understanding this. . .
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Old 11-02-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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Seriously? BIG difference between simply making it malfunction, and creating a legitimate jackpot.

I'm not sure why you aren't understanding this. . .
I'm not sure why, if it's so easy, none of you can even begin to explain how a player can cause a machine to "malfunction" when the only controls they have are the button to play a credit and the button/lever to start the spin. Simple relay switches.

It's just not possible. It would be like trying to manipulate the turn signals on your car to get the engine to malfunction.

And once again, for the deaf, I'm not talking about a malfunction where the machine doesn't work as in you unplugged it or sent a surge of electricity through it that fried it, but a "malfunction" whereby it says you won a jackpot but the casino says you didn't.
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Old 11-02-2016, 12:45 PM
 
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I'm not sure why, if it's so easy, none of you can even begin to explain how a player can cause a machine to "malfunction" when the only controls they have are the button to play a credit and the button/lever to start the spin. Simple relay switches.

It's just not possible. It would be like trying to manipulate the turn signals on your car to get the engine to malfunction.
A simple Google search will provide information on how slots have been hacked. You're simply wrong.

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And once again, for the deaf, I'm not talking about a malfunction where the machine doesn't work as in you unplugged it or sent a surge of electricity through it that fried it, but a "malfunction" whereby it says you won a jackpot but the casino says you didn't.
My understanding of the case in question, is that while the machine said there was the huge payoff, the person in question didn't actually have a spin that would have resulted in a jackpot. And you said that they should be paid.

You claimed that a malfunction jackpot should be paid.


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1. Require a reasonable payout if the machine says you won. Obviously not $43 million or more than the max payout stated on the machine. Probably not the max payout on machines with really high payouts. Just something that reqards the player and penalizes the casino, say $1000. Have this "malfunction payout" stated on the machine beside the max payout.
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Old 11-02-2016, 01:00 PM
 
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I'm not sure why, if it's so easy, none of you can even begin to explain how a player can cause a machine to "malfunction" when the only controls they have are the button to play a credit and the button/lever to start the spin. Simple relay switches.

It's just not possible. It would be like trying to manipulate the turn signals on your car to get the engine to malfunction.

And once again, for the deaf, I'm not talking about a malfunction where the machine doesn't work as in you unplugged it or sent a surge of electricity through it that fried it, but a "malfunction" whereby it says you won a jackpot but the casino says you didn't.

Slot machines now a days also have a slot where someone can insert their loyalty rewards card. I'm not a hacker, I don't really know anything about hacking, but I don't see why it would be impossible for someone to clone a loyalty rewards card that, when inserted into the machine, causes a malfunction.

Why aren't people doing this now? Because there is a sign on the slot machine that says that any malfunction voids all plays and payouts. If it wasn't a legitimate jackpot, the casino is not going to pay out. But if casinos starting paying out malfunctions, then there could possibly be a rise in malfunctions, as people see it as a get rich quick scheme.


http://www.slotsforsale.com/wp-conte...achine-004.jpg
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Old 11-02-2016, 01:02 PM
 
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So if the machine says Winner you don't win? How sad. Why play?
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Old 11-02-2016, 01:28 PM
 
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So if the machine says Winner you don't win? How sad. Why play?
Please read the article. Then come back and try again.
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Old 11-02-2016, 02:24 PM
 
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A simple Google search will provide information on how slots have been hacked. You're simply wrong.

My understanding of the case in question, is that while the machine said there was the huge payoff, the person in question didn't actually have a spin that would have resulted in a jackpot. And you said that they should be paid.

You claimed that a malfunction jackpot should be paid.
If you did this search, where's your links?

The statements you quoted from me shows exactly what I said - that the machine told the woman she won so she should be paid something, say $1000.

Your understanding of the case must include information not public as i haven't seen anything that stated in any way what game she was playing, what she needed to get for a winning spin, and what her spin actually was.
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