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Old 12-28-2016, 05:27 PM
 
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President Obama has designated two new national monuments in Utah and Nevada under his powers under the Antiquities Act. The national monument in Nevada will be known as "Golden Butte". It is approximately 300,000 acres. The monument in Utah will be known as "Bear's Ears". Its bigger and makes up approximately 1,300,000 acres. It should be emphasized that all this land is already public land that is owned by the United States. No land is being taken from any private individual.

Its a magnificent gift to our children and grandchildren.

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Old 12-28-2016, 05:38 PM
 
Location: Type 0.73 Kardashev
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President Obama has designated two new national monuments in Utah and Nevada under his powers under the Antiquities Act. The national monument in Nevada will be known as "Golden Butte". It is approximately 300,000 acres. The monument in Utah will be known as "Bear's Ears". Its bigger and makes up approximately 1,300,000 acres.

Its a magnificent gift to our children and grandchildren.
 
Old 12-28-2016, 07:02 PM
 
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Yay! I'm so happy.
 
Old 12-28-2016, 07:24 PM
 
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Why not do that with everybody's property? Why should any individual own a piece of this planet? Shouldn't our planet be open to everyone?

If you approve of Obama's move, you should also be willing to hand your own property over to the public.
 
Old 12-28-2016, 07:31 PM
 
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Why not do that with everybody's property? Why should any individual own a piece of this planet? Shouldn't our planet be open to everyone?

If you approve of Obama's move, you should also be willing to hand your own property over to the public.
 
Old 12-28-2016, 07:51 PM
 
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Why not do that with everybody's property? Why should any individual own a piece of this planet? Shouldn't our planet be open to everyone?

If you approve of Obama's move, you should also be willing to hand your own property over to the public.


Inholdings within National Monuments (and Parks and Preserves and the rest) remain private property. It's not expropriated. So your rant about private property is wholly without merit.
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PS - hundreds of thousands of square miles of National Monuments proclaimed by the last President Bush? How about the National Monuments proclaimed by President Reagan?

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Old 12-28-2016, 08:19 PM
 
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And when inholdings are purchased, they're negotiated to be fair to the private landholder as well as other taxpayers.
 
Old 12-28-2016, 08:24 PM
 
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Why not do that with everybody's property? Why should any individual own a piece of this planet? Shouldn't our planet be open to everyone?

If you approve of Obama's move, you should also be willing to hand your own property over to the public.
Did you read the part of my post where I made it clear that the land being designated national monuments was already owned by the government?
 
Old 12-28-2016, 10:51 PM
 
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President Obama has designated two new national monuments in Utah and Nevada under his powers under the Antiquities Act. The national monument in Nevada will be known as "Golden Butte". It is approximately 300,000 acres. The monument in Utah will be known as "Bear's Ears". Its bigger and makes up approximately 1,300,000 acres. It should be emphasized that all this land is already public land that is owned by the United States. No land is being taken from any private individual.

Its a magnificent gift to our children and grandchildren.
No, it's dirty politics.

The Bundy family's cattle (the ones the feds haven't already killed) are grazing at Gold Butte.

The Public Lands Initiative for Bear's Ears, produced by two Republican congressmen (Chaffetz and Bishop), has been criticized by environmentalists as being too favorable to drilling interests.

But these are just coincidences.
 
Old 12-28-2016, 11:18 PM
 
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Sorry to hear that. National monuments are magnets for vacationers who do not respect the land.
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