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Did you read the part of my post where I made it clear that the land being designated national monuments was already owned by the government?
Article I Section 8 Clause 17 says:
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;
Does a National Monument fit under any of that? What about the other millions and millions of acres that the federal government owns?
The Bundy family's cattle (the ones the feds haven't already killed) are grazing at Gold Butte.
The Public Lands Initiative for Bear's Ears, produced by two Republican congressmen (Chaffetz and Bishop), has been criticized by environmentalists as being too favorable to drilling interests.
But these are just coincidences.
Yes, you are right that they killed the Bundy Cattle, etc. Also, Facistbook tried to block the video of the standoff by labeling the Youtube video as "an attack site". Also, the whole thing WASN'T to protect some turtle, but it turned out to be a land grab scheme to help some Chinese businessmen that Harry Reid was in league with. That is why loads of people in Nevada are glad to see Reid leave this year.
BTW, if you're upset about the outsourcing wiping out manufacturing in the US, part of the reason is because of all the annoying regulations from this unconstitutional branch of the federal government called the Environmental Protection Agency.
Sorry to hear that. National monuments are magnets for vacationers who do not respect the land.
Better it should be defiled by multinational corporations owned by the 1% or ranchers who want to graze their cattle on it without paying a fee to compensate for all the damage the animals do?
These two land masses are important to several native tribes, so I'm thrilled for them.
Better it should be defiled by multinational corporations owned by the 1% or ranchers who want to graze their cattle on it without paying a fee to compensate for all the damage the animals do?
These two land masses are important to several native tribes, so I'm thrilled for them.
Not all of the members of the tribes agreed that Fed control is good for the land.
The ranches leasing ground are not "multi-national corporations, and in addition to the lease money, the ranchers have to do improvements and repairs (caused by all wildlife, not just domestic animals) on their own dime. Now the land will have no care. Often water sites are degraded by tourists and wildlife and even disappear. The wildlife will suffer. Sad.
So many people don't realize there is public access to public land in the west. Even when it is leased for grazing. So, no ones ability to access or appreciate these lands was limited before this. But now, land use will be limited in many ways.
President Obama has designated two new national monuments in Utah and Nevada under his powers under the Antiquities Act. The national monument in Nevada will be known as "Golden Butte". It is approximately 300,000 acres. The monument in Utah will be known as "Bear's Ears". Its bigger and makes up approximately 1,300,000 acres. It should be emphasized that all this land is already public land that is owned by the United States. No land is being taken from any private individual.
Its a magnificent gift to our children and grandchildren.
Both will be reversed soon. Don't plan any vacations there!
The Bundy family's cattle (the ones the feds haven't already killed) are grazing at Gold Butte.
The Public Lands Initiative for Bear's Ears, produced by two Republican congressmen (Chaffetz and Bishop), has been criticized by environmentalists as being too favorable to drilling interests.
But these are just coincidences.
National Monument status confers the most protection on this section of federal land. The area is full of Indian ruins. This will action will give the government greater ability to protect those lands from those who would steal ancient Indian artifacts or worse, vandalize them. It will also give more of the public an opportunity to view these national treasures. Chaffetz and Bishop would have done nothing at all if they hadn't thought the President was likely to designate these lands a national monument. No, I don't want oil or gas drilling there. The land is too fragile, the impact on the environment too great, and the price of oil is too cheap to take these risks.
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Originally Posted by elan
Sorry to hear that. National monuments are magnets for vacationers who do not respect the land.
This is indeed a strange comment to make. National monuments enjoy a degree of protection that other public lands do not. Most vandalism on public lands does not occur in national monuments. It occurs at out of the way sites that are not routinely policed.
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Originally Posted by MongooseHugger
Article I Section 8 Clause 17 says:
To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;
Does a National Monument fit under any of that? What about the other millions and millions of acres that the federal government owns?
I wouldn't try to argue the Constitution with me. I've had five constitutional law classes in college and as a graduate student. I suspect I know this subject a little better than you do.
Please go to Article IV; Section 3; Clause 2 of the Constitution. It specifically gives Congress the power to "dispose of and make needful Rules and Regulations respecting territory or other property of the United States...". The Antiquities Act was passed by Congress in about 1903. It empowers the President to designate sections of federally-owned land as national monuments. Its been used many times by presidents and the Supreme Court has always sustained this power under the Act.
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Originally Posted by MongooseHugger
Yes, you are right that they killed the Bundy Cattle, etc. Also, Facistbook tried to block the video of the standoff by labeling the Youtube video as "an attack site". Also, the whole thing WASN'T to protect some turtle, but it turned out to be a land grab scheme to help some Chinese businessmen that Harry Reid was in league with. That is why loads of people in Nevada are glad to see Reid leave this year.
BTW, if you're upset about the outsourcing wiping out manufacturing in the US, part of the reason is because of all the annoying regulations from this unconstitutional branch of the federal government called the Environmental Protection Agency.
The truth is that Nevada Senator Harry Reid wanted this land designated as a national monument long before the problem with the Bundy family occurred. It has nothing to do with protecting Chinese businessmen. I suggest you put down the Drudge Report, or whatever alternative journalism source you are using and accept the fact that some of us believe that the most scenic desert lands are beautiful and worth protecting.
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Originally Posted by branDcalf
Not all of the members of the tribes agreed that Fed control is good for the land.
The ranches leasing ground are not "multi-national corporations, and in addition to the lease money, the ranchers have to do improvements and repairs (caused by all wildlife, not just domestic animals) on their own dime. Now the land will have no care. Often water sites are degraded by tourists and wildlife and even disappear. The wildlife will suffer. Sad.
So many people don't realize there is public access to public land in the west. Even when it is leased for grazing. So, no ones ability to access or appreciate these lands was limited before this. But now, land use will be limited in many ways.
The public lands belong to the public. Not just to cattle ranchers. When Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument was designated, the grazing rights of ranchers within the monument were protected and management of the Monument was given to the BLM (which is rancher friendly) instead of the NPS. Some ranchers need to realize they don't own these lands. They simply lease them. The government has a right to revoke leases or modify them pursuant to legal standards. The lands are there for everyone including tourists and sightseers.
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Originally Posted by finalmove
Both will be reversed soon. Don't plan any vacations there!
We shall see what we shall see. There was talk of reversing the Grand Staircase Escalante National Monument too. All that talk came to nothing. Its a wonderful place to go for vacation.
I disapprove, it's getting harder and harder for me and my boys to go find them funny lookin' balancing rocks that we can go push over without dem libruls getting all upset about it, you lost get ovur it and quit trying to protect stuff commies
The Bundy family's cattle (the ones the feds haven't already killed) are grazing at Gold Butte.
The Public Lands Initiative for Bear's Ears, produced by two Republican congressmen (Chaffetz and Bishop), has been criticized by environmentalists as being too favorable to drilling interests.
But these are just coincidences.
Mr. Bundy's cattle are there illegally.
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