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But there is a difference between this girl and Patty Hearst. Patty Hearst was kidnapped and tortured and was turned that way. The picture with her holding the machine gun was said to be unloaded. IE, they didn't trust her sufficently to give her a loaded gun. The ways she was turned are classic psychological techniques.
And she was charged and convicted and did server time.
This girl was lured into ISIS's arms, but she was drawn in, and at the time she chose to leave, nobody was forcing her to. From what's been said, she had no idea what she was getting into. Fifteen year old girls don't usually think too much ahead. And by the end she did buy into it, with her job as inspector of morals. Now she's just wanting to go home as if she could walk into another room and shut that door.
She shouldn't go home as if it was all a bad decision, or be excused. She's going to have to face her actions, and accept the reality. Just as Patty Hearst had to face things. She's going to have to admit to and take responsibility for her choices. How and how long should be the question, not if she lives.
How she behaves, and is willing to see her known acts should be what determines how long it will be before she can just go home and be 'normal'.
We still don't know if she volunteered for that, or if she was forced, or if by then, she was so broken psychologically (after repeated trauma, bear in mind), she didn't know which way was up, or as someone posted earlier, she was doing her best to survive in an abusive environment, by trying to get as high on the food chain as she could. Also, notice that other German girls were also part of the morality police. This leads me to wonder if for some reason, ISIS chose to use them in that position, for a specific reason. Maybe to make sure that morality brainwashing would sink in and take hold, who knows?
In any case, if the German government manages to bring her home, the public can decide, or the courts or whoever. They'll have more facts than we're able to muster, here.
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We still don't know if she volunteered for that, or if she was forced, or if by then, she was so broken psychologically (after repeated trauma, bear in mind), she didn't know which way was up, or as someone posted earlier, she was doing her best to survive in an abusive environment, by trying to get as high on the food chain as she could. Also, notice that other German girls were also part of the morality police. This leads me to wonder if for some reason, ISIS chose to use them in that position, for a specific reason. Maybe to make sure that morality brainwashing would sink in and take hold, who knows?
In any case, if the German government manages to bring her home, the public can decide, or the courts or whoever. They'll have more facts than we're able to muster, here.
She may well have agreed, because she knew the alternate result. Or she's in a pure state of survival where the only think which matters is the immediate. People will do things they would not have ever considered in pure survival, and maybe regret them later, or not. After all, they're alive and that's the goal. Cost is not considered, just the immediate need. That she seems to expect she can just go home now does suggest she was just surviving. It's a state of mind where the only priority is now. There is much clarity. If one has ever been there its also easy to slip back when anything percieved as a threat happens. If she does get home, that button will come with her and she'll not be the same person who left to the family who miss her.
That she's saying she just wants to go home and resume life really sounds like she's still living in it and cannot 'judge' anything she may have done, and may just do whatever it takes to go home. If she does, there is a long hard road to travel before there is anything like 'normal'.
Who are you to say what her punishment should be? Who am I? How about the judicial system of the country she was in as a willing participant of a terrorist organization?
Iraq is a signatory of the Geneva Conventions. So International Law states what to do with juvenile offenders.
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She may well have agreed, because she knew the alternate result. Or she's in a pure state of survival where the only think which matters is the immediate. People will do things they would not have ever considered in pure survival, and maybe regret them later, or not. After all, they're alive and that's the goal. Cost is not considered, just the immediate need. That she seems to expect she can just go home now does suggest she was just surviving. It's a state of mind where the only priority is now. There is much clarity. If one has ever been there its also easy to slip back when anything percieved as a threat happens. If she does get home, that button will come with her and she'll not be the same person who left to the family who miss her.
That she's saying she just wants to go home and resume life really sounds like she's still living in it and cannot 'judge' anything she may have done, and may just do whatever it takes to go home. If she does, there is a long hard road to travel before there is anything like 'normal'.
She'll definitely need treatment for PTSD, just for starters.
As reported so far, her only crime in Germany was the theft of her mother's passport and presumably related crimes of misrepresenting her identity. Her terrorist acts all occurred on Iraqi soil. So why should she be extradited to Germany for trial?
Telling other posters to use their "thinking caps" is both disrespectful and non-contributory to the discussion.
She's starting to look like Brooke Shields...one eye-brow....only not as pretty or rich.....what DO liberals do when they meet a real SOB? It's almost incredible to believe liberals are this f'in stupid....well, when Akmed is done riding her like Seabiscuit, maybe she will finally realize that there really, really are bad people who don't like you no matter how liberal and guilt-ridden you are.
Now, if they do execute her, how will they do it?
You know who is even more stupid? People who make this topic about Liberals. You folks have Liberals on the brain.
You know who is even more stupid? People who make this topic about Liberals. You folks have Liberals on the brain.
It really is getting annoying. Whenever I see a poster just throw out a slam at liberals for no reason makes it easy to dismiss everything that poster says.
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45 years ago she'd be one of the Manson girls.
Compared to membership in Al Qaeda, membership in ISIS is as diverse, nation-of-origin wise, as the number of countries in the U.N. charter! I have read that this is because ISIS is a relatively new group, taking full advantage, compared to the older group, of the internet and other technologies to recruit.
Funny old world... we have our brave military returning from battles with post traumatic stress and some are living on the streets....
They need treatment for that, and the military needs to stop denying treatment to some of them. If this is going on because the Vet hospitals are underfunded, then something needs to be done about that. Not sure how it is in the UK.
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