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I'm not talking cars or cameras. Apples to chainsaws, as well.
Hehehe, sounds like with that last statement you kind of concurr. Comparing the american bikes to asian bike is not an apples to apples comparison. That is essentially what I meant. They don't compare, although they are getting better. As I stated, the lower end production non-custom American frames are typically built in Tiawan - ROC, while the upper end non-custom American built frames are built here.
I was talking across the board. Steel, Aluminum, Ti, Carbon and what is actually being produced.
Or custom built homes, for that matter, but that is not what I am talking about. I am talking about overall production. By sheer numbers Asians manufactures win hands down, but how many of those are Wally-World level?
I don't really care what the majority of people are buying. The masses are buying wally world chinese crap bicycles, which is their forte. Disposable bikes. So many of the lower-end American production line bikes are made in Asia. There is a reason for that. They are good at mass-producing cheaper frames. Besides, check my post again. I was talking about my frame, I would still be hard pressed to find an asian built frame to meet the standards of my American frame. And then check what the pro-peloton is riding. How are Asain builders competing. They are not riding Sony. I did say they're getting better.
I would just like to understand what you are saying. So Asians can build complex machines like cameras and autos, computers but they are not as skilled at building bicycles.
And just what is so special about your frame? Is it made from unobtanium. If it's not, then any bicycle builder can build one just as good or better.
I would just like to understand what you are saying. So Asians can build complex machines like cameras and autos, computers but they are not as skilled at building bicycles.
And just what is so special about your frame? Is it made from unobtanium. If it's not, then any bicycle builder can build one just as good or better.
I don't think it is necessarily what they are capable of doing, it is more of what they do. If they were to incorporate an engine in their design or make it high tech and computerized, I suppose they would pour their R&D resources into it. Just look at that Honda link I posted. They are building for their masses and many American brands take advantage of that by having them produce their low end of their line. TREK, Specialized, and even Schwinn - especially Schwinn, etc. do this. It just doesn't seem to be a priority. Their components (SHIMANO) are great! Although Campagnolo (Italian) afficianados would disagree. hehe
Pretty dangrous where I live and mnay palces I have been.Might be ok for a small village tho.I wouldn;t even ride a motorcycle or mop ped any more really.
One would be hard pressed to find any Asian manufacturer of the caliber of my New York built frame.
Whoa now, let's no forget about Toei!
Concerning bike commuting, I did it for over three years. I rode in downpours, snow storms, heat waves, and just about anything else you can think of. I rode to work when the wind chill was below zero, and I rode when the heat index was just under 120. Biking to work was one of the best things I ever did for myself. Now I only do it occasionally because it began to get hard on my knees (standing on a concrete floor all day AND cycling to work is not a good combo), I moved and my commute got a LOT worse, and motorists around here have simply become too dangerous to risk it very often. And riding in the summer here is MISERABLE. But I'm hoping to move in a few months to a place that's a lot more bike friendly (and actually has public transportation). When I do, the car will be staying behind with a new owner. I know cycle commuting certainly isn't for everyone, but all cars have ever really done for me is make me poor, fat, and lazy.
Bike porn. A cheap knock off of the Italian masters (Tommasini). And it is not a Serotta. Gotta love those lugs, though. Here is a Richard Sachs seat lug on a Kirk frame of Bozeman, MT. Dave Kirk, formerly of Serotta and the DKS rear triangle design.
Actually I'd say it's a knock-off of the classic French constructeurs, like Alex Singer, Rene Herse, etc.
But some of the modern American custom builders have taken clean lug work to a while new level. My personal favorite (at least from appearance) is J.P. Weigle:
But there have been so many good ones in recent years!
Edit: I completely forgot about a bike I owned until last winter: An early 90s (I believe) Bertoni. Doesn't have the same heritage as some of the older Italian brands, but it did have some pretty fancy lugs for a production bike:
Funny you should post right now. I am looking at www.bikelugs.com .
Oh! Be still my poor heart!
Such beauty!!
I can't stand it!
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And it is not a Serotta. Gotta love those lugs, though. Here is a Richard Sachs seat lug on a Kirk frame of Bozeman, MT. Dave Kirk, formerly of Serotta and the DKS rear triangle design.
