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Old 05-12-2014, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, N.C.
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I know this area well. When police aren't willing to ticket the automobile drivers but instead jump on the bikers---this makes a bigger problem than necessary.

Bike-car crash revives anger over Arlington's ‘intersection of doom’ - The Washington Post
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Old 05-12-2014, 09:59 AM
 
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I know this area well. When police aren't willing to ticket the automobile drivers but instead jump on the bikers---this makes a bigger problem than necessary.

Bike-car crash revives anger over Arlington's ‘intersection of doom’ - The Washington Post
From the article:

"Lindsey Kelley says she was biking through the crosswalk at the intersection last Monday evening when she was hit by a gold sedan."

What part of biking through the crosswalk is okay? Talk a good look at the picture in the article, notice the bike rider in the crosswalk? It is called a crosswalk, not a crossride and for very good reason. A car driver can react to the slower traveling speed of a pedestrian, even most runners. A bike rider can often travel close to the speed of a car.

Darn right the woman deserved the ticket. So many bike riders ignore traffic laws but scream bloody murder if a car even comes close to them. Either obey the traffic laws or get off the bike.

Yes, car drivers should be ticketed for disobeying traffic laws, that has nothing to do with bike riders being ticketed for the same infractions.
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Old 05-12-2014, 01:51 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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Personally, I don't see a problem with it as long as you obey the traffic signals and aren't riding so fast to create a hazard for pedestrians crossing as well. It's really no different than a family pushing a stroller through a crosswalk. Our cops here would PREFER you do this than riding across in the middle of the block, or "jayriding".
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Old 05-12-2014, 02:40 PM
 
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Personally, I don't see a problem with it as long as you obey the traffic signals and aren't riding so fast to create a hazard for pedestrians crossing as well. It's really no different than a family pushing a stroller through a crosswalk. Our cops here would PREFER you do this than riding across in the middle of the block, or "jayriding".
It is much different than pushing a stroller. A person riding a bike can if riding slowly, lose their balance and then run over people, a stroller can really do that.

Cops don't get to make up the rules or laws, they enforce them. A bike rider should ride according to traffic laws, something many bike riders seem to forget until it's their turn to be on the receiving end of a car driver also disobeying the traffic laws.

A bike can't be ridden by most people, slow enough to flow with pedestrians yet they often try and you end up with the people standing on the peddles weaving back and forth causing nothing but a nuisance and danger to others. If there is a bike lane, the bike riders should be using it, not sidewalks. If there is no bike lane, then one of the traffic lanes or walk the bike with the peds. It really is simple.

When it comes to crossing a street, dismount and do the right thing, walk across instead of taking a privilege to which you aren't entitled.

Few bike riders can appreciate what happens when they are riding 3 abreast at 15 mph all dressed up in speedo wear on a ped walkway screaming "on your left" as elderly people out for a morning stroll try to save themselves from being run over by those punks. It happens far more than you might realize. Then you look over to see the commotion and realize that those clowns have a bike lane taken out of the right traffic lane all to themselves, they just want to ride away from the cars. They are the same kind that sign petitions so that taxes can be spent on bike only lanes yet don't use them.

Maybe if bike riders started giving what they demand, courtesy, they'd actually get some in return.
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Old 05-12-2014, 08:15 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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After all of that, I can only say that not ALL of us are dolts, and some of us take pedestrian safety seriously. After all, sometimes we're pedestrians too. OUR cops seem to know the difference between a 16 yr old on a BMX and a 53 yr old on a $600 MTB going to work.
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Old 05-13-2014, 07:23 AM
 
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From the article:

"Lindsey Kelley says she was biking through the crosswalk at the intersection last Monday evening when she was hit by a gold sedan."

What part of biking through the crosswalk is okay? Talk a good look at the picture in the article, notice the bike rider in the crosswalk? It is called a crosswalk, not a crossride and for very good reason. A car driver can react to the slower traveling speed of a pedestrian, even most runners. A bike rider can often travel close to the speed of a car.

Darn right the woman deserved the ticket. So many bike riders ignore traffic laws but scream bloody murder if a car even comes close to them. Either obey the traffic laws or get off the bike.

Yes, car drivers should be ticketed for disobeying traffic laws, that has nothing to do with bike riders being ticketed for the same infractions.
Welcome to why cyclists are generally loathed by the driving public.
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Old 05-13-2014, 08:11 AM
 
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Yep;she needed to walk her bike across that cross walk not ride it ;then she would have been pedestrian. I see bikers constantly a hazard by ignoring laws.
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Old 05-13-2014, 11:38 AM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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Yep;she needed to walk her bike across that cross walk not ride it ;then she would have been pedestrian. I see bikers constantly a hazard by ignoring laws.
Maybe so, but she wouldn't have been singled out or given any grief here by motorist or cops as long as she went with the traffic signals.
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Old 05-13-2014, 12:08 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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Now if you REALLY want to see some poor pedaling practices then here you go,

Alec Baldwin arrested in NYC after bike flap
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Old 05-13-2014, 01:03 PM
 
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Maybe so, but she wouldn't have been singled out or given any grief here by motorist or cops as long as she went with the traffic signals.
Of course she should be singled out. She was the one breaking the law or violating the regs. That is the problem these days, people do things like that and then it's woe is me, don't pick on me.

Walk the bike through the crosswalk, no grief. Ride across, grief. Simple.
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