Future of Southern and Eastern Suburbs? (Dallas, Fort Worth: apartments, crime, new home)

[move4ward]

Originally Posted by ilovepizza1975

What about the long term outlook for Oak Cliff? Not gentrified Oak Cliff but the area between 67 and 35 full of gorgeous 50s ranch houses. Every time I kick around the idea of moving to that area I'm put off by the lack of services. Problem is that the services won't come until they think that the population will sustain them. People have to be bold enough to invest.

Also I'd be concerned about my neighbors (who would be predominantly Black and Hispanic) seeing me (a white woman) as a harbinger of doom. I wouldn't blame them. The houses are gorgeous though if they're well-maintained.

There are new stores being built. Higher income Hispanic and Black residents may move in and update the houses.

Tom Thumb @ Shops of Redbird 2026
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/lo...c-51dd79e052be

Target @ Wynnewood Village 2025
https://dallasexpress.com/business-m...ng-new-stores/

Joe V's Smart Shop by H-E-B @ 4101 W. Wheatland and Hwy 67 Summer 2024
https://newsroom.heb.com/h-e-b-annou...res-in-dallas/

[ilovepizza1975]

Originally Posted by move4ward

There are new stores being built. Higher income Hispanic and Black residents may move in and update the houses.

Tom Thumb @ Shops of Redbird 2026
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/lo...c-51dd79e052be

Target @ Wynnewood Village 2025
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/lo...c-4b268b1e8bb5

Joe V's Smart Shop by H-E-B @ 4101 W. Wheatland and Hwy 67 2024
https://newsroom.heb.com/h-e-b-annou...res-in-dallas/

Interesting. I already know a couple of high-income Black residents in that area; maybe I should shoot down there for a visit.

[NP78]

Originally Posted by odieluck

So these areas seem to just be growing because they're cheap without nearby high paying jobs. I guess this means in the long term they'll age just about as well as Mesquite did. Still interesting to see sprawl finally branching out in different directions on the map, though. Midlothian is interesting though, since it's more expensive than other areas in this category, I'll be watching to see what happens there long term.

I don't really know what will happen, but I do think some of the areas in Kaufman County have the potential to age poorly, especially some of the developments in Forney.

[JlkajwlNsn]

If growth cannot grow more north, would it grow more towards west then? (Denton, Northwest Fort Worth, Rhome, …)

[TheOverdog]

It already is. Highway 380 in Denton has tons of development, so does the Alliance area in northwest Ft Worth.

[rabbit33]

Originally Posted by JlkajwlNsn

If growth cannot grow more north, would it grow more towards west then? (Denton, Northwest Fort Worth, Rhome, …)

I don't know if you've looked, but there's a whole city in the way!

[JlkajwlNsn]

Originally Posted by rabbit33

I don't know if you've looked, but there's a whole city in the way!

Which city?

[Radraiderz2004]

Originally Posted by NP78

I don't really know what will happen, but I do think some of the areas in Kaufman County have the potential to age poorly, especially some of the developments in Forney.

I agree with you. The bare bones "El Cheapo" lineup by Lennar/Horton/Centex/Starlight/LGI etc. Already look depressing. I'm scared to think what the depressing monotone box homes will look like in 50 years. Who knows if they'll even last that long. I think unincorporated northern Forney, The Crandall/Heartland area, Princeton and far north Fort Worth are some of the worst offenders when it comes to these ridiculously monotone boxes. The architecture and floorplans kind of remind me of the 80s Fox and Jacobs homes that had 4 mini homes sharing a driveway.

EXAMPLES:
McClelland St in Forney
Grindstone Dr in Forney
Delmita Dr in Forney
Delaware Ave in Princeton
Plumcove Dr in Princeton
Herman Ln in Princeton
Ozark Path in Princeton
Acacia Dr in Crandall

[jsnww81]

Originally Posted by Radraiderz2004

I agree with you. The bare bones "El Cheapo" lineup by Lennar/Horton/Centex/Starlight/LGI etc. Already look depressing. I'm scared to think what the depressing monotone box homes will look like in 50 years. Who knows if they'll even last that long. I think unincorporated northern Forney, The Crandall/Heartland area, Princeton and far north Fort Worth are some of the worst offenders when it comes to these ridiculously monotone boxes. The architecture and floorplans kind of remind me of the 80s Fox and Jacobs homes that had 4 mini homes sharing a driveway.

Hit the nail on the head. If you're wondering what Forney, Midlothian, Burleson, Haslet etc will look like in a few decades, just drive through any neighborhood where Fox & Jacobs was active in the 1970s and 1980s:

- most of Mesquite
- basically all of The Colony from before the mid-1990s
- large swathes of north-central Carrollton
- large swathes of north and west Garland
- most of southern Grand Prairie between Highway 303 and I-20 (it gets nicer south of I-20)

Small homes built in a hurry without much attention to quality. They're affordable - and people have to live somewhere - but those neighborhoods don't age well at all.

[Taub201]

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5...6785781_zpid/?

Here’s one on McClelland. $245k for 1239 sq Ft ($198/sf).
It’s super challenging to buy anything in the Metroplex that’s under $200k so this is enticing.