Dayton Ohio: Does it still suck there? (Kettering, Moraine: home, to buy)

[Dayton Sux]

Spud, I believe I've seen you on a Dayton specific "blog." Watch out, they don't take kindly to frank, truthful discussion there about post-1980 topics that aren't rose colored. It's basically like Reminisce Magazine online edition for Dayton - Thomas Kinkade style romanticized recollections of a wonderful past.

I'd like to know more about this blog (as in, maybe, a name or a link).

[Dayton Sux]

The problem is not taxes or schools or blacks or crime.

Actually it is...and I'd add "economy" and "culture"...

...It has been 45 years! If ANYTHING they have done had WORKED it should be fixed by now....

Correct. Bureacracy & "programs" can't solve these things. Decades of try this and try that and...pffft....things get worse.

... & your remark about locusts was right on the money. Good analogy.

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Dayton Ohio does is still suck there? It does...oh yes. In many and sundry ways!

[Dayton Sux]

LOL...34 pages of how Dayton sucks...and, despite my handle I wasn't the thread parent!

Is there anything more to be said ?

Yeah: the suburbs are nice here. And the beer is getting really good....

[Spud1]

I really do wish the folks well who are in there swinging away. I did it for several years. I finally moved the business out of downtown because the place was flat out depressing. Nobody gave a damn. The Dayton Partnership never did call me back after our set to. They were too busy getting "real business" to move in. What's 10 employees?

The folks need to acknowledge what they are up against.

[Amandarthegreat]

Are we all seriously saying that black people ruined Dayton?

[Dayton Sux]

Are we all seriously saying that black people ruined Dayton?

Race plays a factor. But that's not unique here. And not the only factor.

I just finished reading a good book on Dayton...except it was on Flint, not Dayton. Racial issues played their role in Flint's demise, too:

Tear-down, A Memoir of a Vanishing City

....highly recommended. Another good tale of the rustbelt.

[notoriouskelly]

Man, Spud, you have a way with words; you should write a book.

I'm a retired phone tech and military veteran - have covered quite a bit of ground in my years from one part of USA to the other and overseas.

Was in 5 or more workplaces every day for decades so I know of what I speak.

One of the biggest problems in places like Dayton or anywhere is people too educated for our own good. My father was born in a part of Kentucky now underwater; don't know if he even finished high school but he has more common sense than most I meet.

We need to incorporate less educated people like him into The System - not just at a token level but in positions where they can bring grass roots experience to bear before over-educated idiots come up with another expensive failed idea.

And we need true transparency in budgets to see where the money is Really going and why.

Sometimes Less education may be the answer.

[Ohioan58]

Originally Posted by Spud1

It has been 45 years! If ANYTHING they have done had WORKED it should be fixed by now. Hiroshima was up and going in less than 10 years, for crying out loud!

That was a spectacular rant.

Word.

[SWOH]

Originally Posted by Dayton Sux

I'd like to know more about this blog (as in, maybe, a name or a link).

I'm sure you've seen it before:

Dayton Memories Blog

[SWOH]

Originally Posted by notoriouskelly

One of the biggest problems in places like Dayton or anywhere is people too educated for our own good. My father was born in a part of Kentucky now underwater; don't know if he even finished high school but he has more common sense than most I meet.

We need to incorporate less educated people like him into The System - not just at a token level but in positions where they can bring grass roots experience to bear before over-educated idiots come up with another expensive failed idea.

And we need true transparency in budgets to see where the money is Really going and why.

Sometimes Less education may be the answer.

An off the wall idea, but I'd have to agree. There is a giant skills gap occurring right now - for people that don't finish high school for a variety of reasons within and beyond their control (early pregnancy, bad family circumstances, bad choices in teenage years, etc.) that are intelligent and have a good work ethic but lack a piece of paper to prove it is true. Same is true for a lot of high school graduates who do not go to vocational school and do not complete college as well. A lot of good people out there that don't have much potential beyond 30% above minimum wage because they don't have the money or time to pay for a piece of paper to "prove their worth".

How to solve it, I don't know. I'm in college now, and it seems like increasingly a master's degree is the new bachelor's degree, a bachelor's degree is the new associate degree, and so on. Currently I'm pursuing an engineering degree because of that - at least it is a field which has good job opportunities in the midwest and has stayed relatively stable as far as educational credentials are concerned over the past 50+ years. I completed a business degree prior, but even then I'm finding most of the entry-level jobs for my degree were done by people with just a high school education as late as the 1970's and 1980's.... thus the reason why I'm seeking the additional paper.

It's really a sad system. Pay a lot of money, drain a lot of years, get a piece of paper. It doesn't allow for easy experimentation or creativity. But then again, corporations want a standard, predictable product, especially in their employees. Our nation as a whole might be a lot better without all the obstacles of education (after all, did Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Henry Ford, or the Wright Brothers need it?) but any Fortune 500 will say that is not the case.