What will Detroit be like in 2020? (Flint, Atlanta: sales, rentals, crime)

[pwduvall]

Originally Posted by drro

Perhaps Detroit has been the inspiration for several video games as many take place in some sort of post apocalyptical scenario. If one had no idea how to start making a game like that you can either look at old WW2 footage of bombed cities, the Bronx in the early 80s, or for a more contemporary setting look at Detroit, Baltimore or East. St. Louis.

On the other hand, parts of Detroit like downtown and midtown have improved and will probably be even better in 2020.

I don't think I am being overly sensitive when I react when Baltimore is compared to East St. Louis and Campden, NJ. If you want to compare Baltimore to other troubled cities like Detroit or St. Louis - fair enough. I could argue that Baltimore is a little stronger than those other cities but the key point is that Baltimore is the regional city.

Dundalk is a relatively poor area right outside of Baltimore. It has a fairly large population but it isn't even a city in the way even Hagerstown, Maryland is a city. Besides that, based on Streetview, East St. Louis isn't so much a ruin as it is largely gone altogether. Baltimore is extraordinary not because it had unusually large population losses. Instead, it is extraordinary because most of the abandoned homes are still standing and most of the heavily abandoned neighborhoods still have relatively high population densities. That does make parts of Baltimore unusually good ruins when compared to troubled parts of Midwestern cities.

[drro]

Originally Posted by pwduvall

Dundalk is a relatively poor area right outside of Baltimore. It has a fairly large population but it isn't even a city in the way even Hagerstown, Maryland is a city. Besides that, based on Streetview, East St. Louis isn't so much a ruin as it is largely gone altogether. Baltimore is extraordinary not because it had unusually large population losses. Instead, it is extraordinary because most of the abandoned homes are still standing and most of the heavily abandoned neighborhoods still have relatively high population densities. That does make parts of Baltimore unusually good ruins when compared to troubled parts of Midwestern cities.

I asked myself too why they keep the abandoned homes in Baltimore and opened up a topic about that once. This post answered the 'why' quite well.

Overall Baltimore is doing its very best to become the next Detroit: the crime rates, the population decline, the urban decay, the riots. Maybe in 2020 Baltimore will be the next Detroit and Detroit will have improved at least relatively compared to Baltimore.

[blam]

Have you ever seen Robocop?

[usroute10]

Originally Posted by drro

Perhaps Detroit has been the inspiration for several video games as many take place in some sort of post apocalyptical scenario. If one had no idea how to start making a game like that you can either look at old WW2 footage of bombed cities, the Bronx in the early 80s, or for a more contemporary setting look at Detroit, Baltimore or East. St. Louis.

On the other hand, parts of Detroit like downtown and midtown have improved and will probably be even better in 2020.

You in the past stated that Detroit's few good neighborhoods are small islands in a sea of decay, but the UNIVERSITY COMMONS area is a good 3 to 4 square miles in area and has some of the finest residential architecture in the U.S. (And these are not the only nice areas of the city) There is nothing post apocalyptic about this area.

Sherwood Forest
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4355...7i13312!8i6656

Martin Park
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4137...7i13312!8i6656

The University District
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4247...7i13312!8i6656



Look at all 3 links. Does your city has 4 contiguous square miles of elegant residences like these?

[goofy328]

Lol. I'm just being optimistic. The way that I see it, if hipsters continue to move to Detroit and the city sees gentrification the way other large cities have, Detroit will indeed have a White majority one day. They have a White mayor, which is one step in that direction.

I also think that foreigners, that aren't afraid of a city of like Detroit, will also continue to move there.

[goofy328]

Originally Posted by usroute10

You in the past stated that Detroit's few good neighborhoods are small islands in a sea of decay, but the UNIVERSITY COMMONS area is a good 3 to 4 square miles in area and has some of the finest residential architecture in the U.S. (And these are not the only nice areas of the city) There is nothing post apocalyptic about this area.

Sherwood Forest
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4355...7i13312!8i6656

Martin Park
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4137...7i13312!8i6656

The University District
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4247...7i13312!8i6656



Look at all 3 links. Does your city has 4 contiguous square miles of elegant residences like these?

People don't know Detroit. They only know what they've been told. Average poster on the Detroit forums has probably never even visited Detroit.

[goofy328]

Part of the thing that separates Baltimore from Detroit is that Baltimore is in closer proximity to wealth in other cities than Detroit is. Chicago is four hours away, Cleveland is two and a half hours away but Cleveland itself is coming back from the abyss. Compare that to the proximity of Baltimore to Philadelphia and DC. Much different picture.

As bad as Baltimore is, it is in a much better position to rebound quicker than Detroit is, though I'm sure both cities will, if, for no other reason that people are looking for a cheaper alternative to the Alpha cities, and a grittier experience, as the Alpha cities are erasing the physical remains of that period of their history.

I like both cities, although I'm not familiar with Baltimore their urban decay does not impress me as I'm more familiar with decay in cities like Detroit and Cleveland. I really don't see what the big deal is; its like people have conveniently forgotten about seventies New York. Parts of New York were rough all the way up until the early 2000s.

It is truly a matter of investment. Midwest cities are not seeing billions upon billions of dollars thrown into decaying neighborhoods as has been the case with East Coast and West Coast cities. So comparisons between Detroit and Baltimore need to be viewed in the proper context.

[beasley106]

Baltimore has never fallen to Detroit's level of abandonment as well since there are a lot of pockets of wealth that are still in the city proper not to mention areas such as Canton, Fells Point, Federal Hill that have undergone extreme gentrification, so it is sort of a misnomer to compare the two cities.

Granted Detroit probably would be a lot more gentrified now if the economic slump between 2000 and 2012 had not discouraged economic development.

[chh]

Originally Posted by usroute10

You in the past stated that Detroit's few good neighborhoods are small islands in a sea of decay, but the UNIVERSITY COMMONS area is a good 3 to 4 square miles in area and has some of the finest residential architecture in the U.S. (And these are not the only nice areas of the city) There is nothing post apocalyptic about this area.

Sherwood Forest
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4355...7i13312!8i6656

Martin Park
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4137...7i13312!8i6656

The University District
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.4247...7i13312!8i6656



Look at all 3 links. Does your city has 4 contiguous square miles of elegant residences like these?

Not to mention there's many stable neighborhoods that don't have elegant houses keeping people there.

Eliza Howell
https://www.google.com/maps/place/El...57ddabf0267a92

Warrendale
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3405...7i13312!8i6656

Mexicantown
https://www.google.com/maps/@42.3127...8i6656!6m1!1e1

Most people just assume the whole city is a bombed out wasteland, when there's still many stable neighborhoods supporting lots of working class citizens. The city is bad, just not as bad as people think.

[MaryleeII]

What will it be like in 2020?

I am sure of this----

it will be 5 years older than today